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Saturday, May 27, 2006

Welcome To Teletubby Land!

After the Shock & Awe carpet-bombing of Republicus by Bargholz, Lee Harvey Jeff slithers back in and takes the opportunity to stroke and soothe the ruffled feathers of "The People" with his faux-folksy Hillaryesque "Gosh-By-Golly-Be-Darn" hokey manner by assurring "everyone": "Now-now, children, don't worry, he's just a big ol' mean ogre who's a 'sick, psychotic fuck' who only Republicus thinks is funny but who we all now know has proven that conservatism is dangerous and scary, as I've been warning you all along. Me? I'm just a sweet ol' liberal who likes to play footsies and loves everyone--except, of course, the evil conservatives, who brainwashed my good ol' friend poor John who I'm nevertheless hoping will come around and join us in our united front against Bargholz, even though he's 'far gone.' But just ignore the one and humor the other, while we take the liberal high road and be nice to each other. Don't worry, I won't bite. Here, taste this, you'll like it. :) :) :)."

And Kelly, like Eve in Eden drawn to the snake in the pretty fruit tree, with its reptilian smile and a forked-tongue darting in and out, rhetorically asks:

"Does that mean that nice people aren't conservative?? ;)"

And the snake slyly--but quite seriously--answers:

"Why yes it does Kelly, didn't you know that??"

And the snake slips:

"It's part of the secret liberal radar we have to identify each other with while out in public."

M-hm. It takes one to know one, and conservatives are just so clueless to the "wink-wink" understanding and the "us" versus "them" collaborative attitude liberals harbor.

But Kelly didn't ask about some secret "radar" or sign that liberals use to wink-wink identify each other (and therefore admitting that they need to hide their identity--and an agenda-- when out in the open), nor invite the implication that Lee Harvey "identifies" her as a secret liberal, to be hooked and slowly reeled in to his liberal world (though Bargholz himself called Kelly a "liberal Mormon," which may have whetted Lee Harvey's appetite for recruitment potential).

What Lee Harvey is trying to do, in the wake of Bargholz's Shock & Awe, and as a contrast, is to slyly present himself as some non-judgmental, universally-tolerant, loving, and well-mannered gentleman who holds doors open for ladies and gives up his place in line-- simultaneously implying that meany conservatives don't do that, and that, furthermore, such conservative protocols of chivalry and graciousness are the hallmarks of liberalism!

They're not. Gentlemanly behavior such as holding the door open for ladies is a definitively conservative behavior and is considered condescending by liberal feminists (who are at or near the vanguard of liberalism).

And conservatives don't budge in front of people and ignore other courtesies like liberals do, as impelled by angry, egotistical self-entitlement.

Behold liberal representative Congressman Patrick Kennedy's scuffle with airport security screeners.

What did the lowly airport personnel think they were doing?

Their job?

Well, he was a Kennedy, and had a plane to catch!

And liberal representative Congresswoman Cynthia Mckinnon's scuffle with U.S. Capital Security personnel.

What did that lowly U.S. Capital Security screener think he was doing?

His job?

Well, she was a Congressperson! And a black female, too!

Yes, liberals, as Lee Harvey "reminds":

You know, the person who holds the elevator door for you when you scream 'hold that door.'
Yes, Kelly is just screaming to get away from conservatives like Bargholz, and, by extension, Republicus, and go for a ride in Lee Harvey's own magic Wee Willy Wonka elevator (which goes sideways and backwards).

Look what he does here:

Ok Kelly and Sanjay, I'm again with you guys. Yes Kelly I know...
Yes Sanjay and Kelly--"again"-- you're all on the same team (and yes Kelly, "he knows.").

The same team against Bargholz and:

But honestly, John, this guy is immature as all get out, he is huimorless, and yet you howl out loud laughing?

Oo! What can that mean?

Let's see, Bargholz is a "sick, psychotic, fuck," so therefore JOHN...

I'm not really sure at what? I haven't really seen anything very funny come from him, he just seems really sad to me, like something is just not quite right inside there.
What's Lee Harvey's deal?

He's like Orson the Pig from Orwell's Animal Farm.

"Sadness"--or pity--was not your original reaction.

It was hate (Bargholz is a "sick, psychotic fuck").

He's just taking the opportunity now, with the dust settling, and with the attention on Bargholz, to sneak back in and pose as a high-minded "nice" guy (who "hopes Bush gets assassinated") who can only feel "pity" for poor Bargholz.

He is now not just "sad," but "really sad," and "something ain't just right in there, folks."

i.e. "Bargholz is mentally ill."

That's what Lee Harvey does (like most liberals): He extends a "caring" hand but uses the other one to slip a knife into the character on the World Wide Web.

Then, with smiles around, :)Lee Harvey :), after patting the seat next to him, now holds open the door... Teletubby Land, the Land of Liberalism-, a rainbow-colored cutsey-wootsie place where the leader of the commune is a purse-carrying purple freak with a triangle radar--or "gay-dar"--on his head, a thyroid problem, and an ambiguous sexual identity.

Several years ago, a prominent televangelist (Robertson? Falwell?) told his viewing audience that the Teletubby creators were subliminally transmitting a liberal, homosexual agenda into the minds of children, and he claimed that Tinky Winky, in particular, was gay: He carried a "magic purse," had the symbol for Act-Up on his head (i.e. a triangle), and so forth.

Of course, the televangelist was ferociously ridiculed for that, and the creators denied it.

But the Left often gives itself away by protesting--or ridiculing--that much more vociferously against something that hits too close to home.

Republicus believes that the creators of the Teletubbies are indeed cunning liberals going after the impressionable minds of young children.

The Teletubbies all resemble aliens, and none of them can speak a word of coherent English.

They have a robot vacuum cleaner for a nanny, always cleaning up after their messes with the stressed-with-worried eyes of a beleaguered mom.

But everything is just so cute and happy and, of course, "nice." :)

The God of Teletubby Land--the Land of Liberalism--is the sun in the sky, superimposed by a spluttering, giggling baby-face.

Indeed, the God of Teletubby Land is one of infantile imbecility: an egocentric, tabula rasa that is kept entertained and distracted by meaningless drivel (like the stuff on the televisions that the Teletubbies have pasted on their bellies).

He--or she, or he-she--is utterly ineffectual and inconsequential.

But so cute! :)

But there are religious symbols, though: The ubiquitous rabbits, which are pagan symbols of fertility.

The green teletubby has a long rod on his head.

The little red female has a ring.

And they all love to wiggle their buttocks.

The show is symbolically obscene but packaged saccharin-sweet for child consumption.

But who made the little hobbit-holes for the Teletubbies? Not the Teletubbies. They can't even eat ice-cream without making the robot nanny's existence a robotic hell.

There is an authoritarian there, the only adult voice, a disembodied one, but not the kind of serious baritone voice one associates with a Law-giving Deity.

There is no Law-giving Deity.

There is no Judge.

That would be no "fun."

There is only a soothing, patronizing, and controlling tenor that tells the Teletubbies what they're feeling, when it's time to play, eat, and sleep, and when one of them makes a boo-boo.

And that voice would be the liberals--like Lee Harvey-- in the ideal, liberal world: The Voice of the State.

And the Teletubbies would be "The People"--who, in elitist Liberalspeak, are ultimately interchangeable with "The Children."

Just listen to Lee Harvey's patronizing, condescending tone, and his assurances that he "knows."

That attitude and tone is not peculiar to Lee Harvey.

Just listen to Hillary.

The antiwar Left loves to refer to our fighting men and women of the armed forces as "Our kids" and "Our children."

If that is how they refer to America's warriors, then what do they think of the average Joe & Jane?

Yes, the liberals love Teletubby Land for "everyone"--except themselves...because someone has to be the babysitter.

The "environmentally-conscious" liberal can rail against "corporatism" and "Big Oil" and scolds private citizens--the Teletubbies-- for driving SUVs, while they themselves receive dividends from Exxon-Mobil and fly on private jets.

The "Pro-Choice" liberals attack the policy for School Choice for the Teletubbies and sing the praises of the public school system of Teletubby Land--but send their own offspring to elite private schools.

The liberals attack the "secretiveness" of the Bush Administration (because there just has to be evidence on all the wrongdoing they're accused of commiting somewhere!) while the presumptive Democratric nominee for the presidency attempted to hijack 1/7 of the nation's economy behind closed doors in an attempt to socialize the healthcare industry for the Teletubbies.

The liberals attack the tax-cuts for the Teletubbies while having their cash in tax-sheltered investments.

The liberals bewail the privatization of Social Security for the Teletubbies--which would be simply offering the same options they themselves have and exercize.

Bargholz rails against the culture of the enemy our nation is at war with and who are killing our soldiers.

Liberal Lee Harvey calls him a "sick, psychotic fuck" for disturbing Teletubby Land.

(using racial epithets does not make one "sick" or "psychotic," just loutish)

The liberals want to control everything. They think they know what's best for everyone, because everyone is a cute little Teletubby who can't think for themselves and who can barely speak English.

And they--"We The People," the Teletubbies-- must rely on "The Know-Better Adults"--i.e. the liberals, the State --for their very existence, and to tell them what to do and when to do it.

Don't worry: A robot nanny will be provided to clean up after us-- although, like any socialist program, it's not the most efficient nor effective contraption.

And into Teletubby Land stomps the ogre Bargholz, who grabs an edge of the artifial turf and yanks it out from under the feet of the Teletubbies, sending them and the rabbits airborne head over heels.

And he YELLS: "WAKE UP! You're NOT TELETUBBIES! Pay no attention to the voice behind the curtain!"

And that's why liberal Lee Harvey hates Bargholz like no one here does, calling him a "sick, psychotic fuck" from behind his curtain:

Because Bargholz may be many things, but he will never be a Teletubby, and Lee Harvey knows that.

And Republicus thanks Bargholz for breaking a few plates and throwing some furniture--drunk or sober--because, really, the blog of Republicus IS NO PLACE FOR TELETUBBIES.

And he thanks him for respecting Republicus enough to speak his mind freely and not care what other people think as opposed to using transparently low-level weasel words and hiding what you really think and are for the sake of slyly discrediting your host and shmoozing his guests.

Like I've said before, Lee Harvey, you're a fool if you don't think I see right through your words.


Anonymous Jeff said...

You have way too much time on your hands man, good lord. I mean seriously, get a grip, not everything is a freakin conspiracy by us liberals. I was being nice and having fun, get over it and grow up,please.

You are exhausting, all that nonsense rattling around in your head can't be a good thing.

4:32 AM  
Blogger Kelly said...

As I said, "ya...I must be too nice. ;)"

John, can't you see I am toying with them?

When Jeff B made the comment that I was a liberal Mormon...I laughed so hard I couldn't breathe for several minutes. I mean, come on...

I told my friends, here at home, what I was accused of being. Man, talk about laughter!!

I still don't care for either Jeff. But he sure helped me prove my point.

He can be nice when it is in his interest to do so.

I asked you to back me up ...that I AM NOT A LIBERAL!!!!. I got Jeff and Sanjay to pop in.

Sometimes I come across as nice because I have a belief that people are generally good. See all my posts from the Islam debate.

I have been willing to forgive Jeff (Lee Harvey) for offenses against me and in turn he has not offended me. I still don't agree with his politics. I don't agree with Sanjay's politics, but he is a decent guy.

I am not sure I can tolerate Jeff B. at this point.

But that does not mean I am liberal.


Are you running out of real issues to discuss??

8:47 AM  
Blogger Kelly said...

or is all this because you are sore that I didn't quite agree with you in the Islam debate?

8:51 AM  
Anonymous douglass said...

Jeff said

"I was being nice and having fun."

Oh really.

I guess that your nice fun is why you said that john has

'nonsense rattling around in his head'

'has too much time on his hands',

and needs to 'get over it' and 'grow up'

Where I come from; that's called trying to make someone feel pain, Jeff

It’s MEAN.

9:10 AM  
Anonymous jeff said...

I shudder to think what would have happend had I given you the secret liberal handshake and password.

Lighten up man and have some fun. I'm off to meet some family and friends for brunch and celebrate this memorial day weekend. Have some fun yourself, if the weather is anywhere as nice there as it is here, hit the pool, it's gotta be open by now right? Enjoy, and please don't take all this shit so seriously.

9:12 AM  
Anonymous jeff said...

Douglas, I was referring to the 1000 word post on teletubby land and how my being nice in a couple of posts could have possibly brought on such a fantasy filled rant. It was not meant to be a meanie liberal jab, just a "throw my arms up" in a you gotta be kidding me sense.

You guys really spend way too much time trying/overanalyzing the most trivial things. Sometimes it is just what it is. Thats all, nothing more. I am off for a day of wife pampering fun.

9:17 AM  
Blogger Kelly said...

Jeff said, " I shudder to think what would have happend had I given you the secret liberal handshake and password.

Lighten up man and have some fun."

Who are you asking to lighten up...

...having said something about "nonsense rattling around in [his] head can't be a good thing"...comment?

9:42 AM  
Anonymous Jeff said...

I mean seriously, once again, the nonsense rattling comment was directly aimed at the teletubby post, I thought it was nonsense,nothing more, nothing less.

That's the lighten up.

5:36 PM  
Blogger Kelly said...

Hey Jeff, sorry for getting so uptight.

I have had a headache all morning and afternoon.

I didn't take the post to light-hearted, so I got on your case, too.


I was also upset because I have been referred to as something of a pushover..not by you.

At least that is the message I got.

I think John likes to put things like this out and see who jumps in the ring to fight it out.

I am climbing out of the ring and not fighting it out, any least not getting personal. I would rather discuss ideas and issues.

6:43 PM  
Anonymous Jeff said...

No worries at all.

6:49 PM  
Blogger John said...

I actually like the Teletubbies.

Watching them for half-an hour has the same effect as popping a tranquilizer.

I'm serious. They have a narcotic effect, so I guess it's great to let otherwise hyperactive childen watch it so they could chill out.

As long you as you don't mind the boys turning into sissies. :)

9:38 PM  
Blogger John said...

Jeff, just make up your mind. You either hate Barholz, as was your first self-evident reaction, or *sigh* condescendingly pity him.

You either "can't stand all you friggin' fascists" (like me, which was, again, your introductory screed on Republicus), and that I engage in racism and am "spiralling downwards," or I'm a "decent guy."

Are you being sneaky and talking out of both sides of your mouth, or psychotic?

4:53 AM  
Blogger Phelonius said...

The first time I saw "teletubbies" was after I had awakened on the couch at about 3:30 am. Not my normal routine, but the TV had been left on. In my half awakened state I thought someone had put LSD in the water. To say the imagery is wierd is to put a light spin on it. I thought I was having a flashback from my less-than-responisble youth... ;-0
I do not know if the makers of that hallucenagen induced production are really trying to promote anything at all, but if they are they found a damn wierd place to do it. And they made a damn wierd show to do it with.

2:18 PM  
Blogger Phelonius said...

AND, just for the record I guess, I do not hate the Barg-man. He attacked me first without knowing anything about me. I first took offense, then I took an aspirin, and later I took the offensive just because I had some time on my hands and wanted to see if I could get him to blow a vein.
I will never be able to take anyone seriously that has as his chief weapons a foul mouth and no respect, seemingly, for anyone. He never could, through the whole exchange, say anything without cussing like a 2 dollar whore. He should know that from this point forward, there is hardly anything he could say that I would even think about taking seriously. It did, though, provide a few hours of entertainment for me and a few others here.

2:27 PM  
Blogger John said...

Bargholz is just pissed that people are downplaying what he--and many others--see as a real threat to Western Civilization.

12:14 AM  
Blogger John said...

Jeff said:

"You guys really spend way too much time trying/overanalyzing the most trivial things."

You think a discussion of whether a children's television show subliminally promotes liberal outlooks is "trivial?"

2:27 AM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

"Nice people aren't conservative."

That's a lie of Goebbelsian proportions. This big lie has been repeated so often that those who propagate it have come to believe it.

The dirty little secret is that leftism is based on hatred. Hatred of the other motivates everything lefties do. It is the source of their overweening intolerance, cultural fascism and fragile egos. They have a pathological need to feel superior to others and try to assuage this need by claiming a moral superiority that they haven't earned. Their Marxist social engineering programs are elitist and authoritarian to the core.

They don't hate conservatives because of what they do--they hate conservatives because they have the temerity to disagree with them.

Leftist egalitarianism is a fable. Just look at the stranglehold moonbats have on America's educational system. Any dissent from the Marxist party line is punished with vindictive zeal. Moderates and conservatives are black-listed, persecuted and purged whenever possible. BY ANY MEANS. This happens wherever and whenever leftists gain control.

Leftist charity and compassion tends to end at the wallet. Conservative Red states are the source of most charity. Who gives the most money? The poorest and most conservative Red states. Who gives the least? Wealthy Blue states. Who gives the most? The poor and middle class. Who gives the least? The wealthy.

Who contributes the most to charity in every single state? Christians, by an overwhelming majority. Who contributes the least? The secular left.

What cause does the left primarily donate money to? Power building. Move-on, N.O.W., Code Pink, and the other organizations that receive the vast majority of the left's cold, hard cash are dedicated to the pursuit of power. The majority of organizations and causes funded by the left use their money to gain political and ideological power and influence.

The majority of Christian organizations use their funds to help disaster victims, refugees and the poor.

How much money did the wimpy moonbat Jeff claim as charitable contributions on his last tax return--assuming he even pays any tax other than sales tax? How much money has he donated to charities in his lifetime?

Less than I have in one day, I'll wager.

Leftism is based on hatred. It is fueled by hatred. It preaches hatred. It practices hatred. The words and deeds of leftists everywhere bear this out. Leftists are supremacists, pure and simple.

I may be tough, but I'm honest and fair. Most conservatives are. How many moonbats on the left can make this claim?

5:56 PM  
Blogger John said...

Bullseye, Bargholz.

6:38 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...


I may be gruff, but I'm not a lout. The wimpy Jeff is definitely a lout.

I think the Teletubbies are disturbingly creepy. I hope they're gone by the time my kids are old enough to be interested in that kind of crap, but from what I've seen, virtually all children's shows are subversive nowadays.

Whatever happened to the good old days when the subversive element in kid's shows like "Gumby" was psychedelic surrealism, and the propaganda was entertaining? The stoned-out hippies who produced some of those "Gumby" episodes were more like pranksters than subversives. No 4 year old ever caught the drug references in that show. The Block-Heads were undoubtedly meant to represent "the establishment," but they actually represented the rigid strictures of leftism.

The tendentious Tubbies seem to be popular in every country with pretensions of modernity. I saw them performing live in a shopping mall in Singapore and the kids there loved it.

Teletubby Land is a fantasy, just like the Utopian Leftist Lands that Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot and the Glorious Leader in North Korea built. The American left live in their own Fantasy Lands, but thankfully they don't control society. If they did, history would repeat itself and America would end up like the worker's paradises I mentioned.

I agree with your description of me (except for the lout bit.) I am the Godzilla to the left's Bambie. Like the left, real deer are easy to stomp but are extremely destructive when they over breed.

Bambie Jeff accused you of promoting a conspiracy theory. Moonbats love to push this scurrilous defamation of conservatives while hypocritically indulging in real conspiracies against conservatives.

A short list of real conspiracies propagated by the left includes the campaigns to deceive the public into believing that:

911 was engineered by Jews and neocons.

Bush stole two elections.

Bush fought a war for oil.

Bush lied and people died.

The fake-but-accurate National Guard "memo" was authentic.

Bush and Rumsfeld ordered the hi-jinks at Abu Ghraib.

Valerie Plame was "outed" by the Bush administration.

Joe Wilson told the truth when he claimed that Saddam Hussein didn't seek uranium in Niger.

Bush was responsible for Hurricane Katrina and the relief effort in its aftermath.

Bush is spying on millions of innocent Americans.

The NSA has a data base of two hundred million American phone numbers--and monitors conversations placed to and from these numbers.

American soldiers are ordered by their superiors to murder innocent Iraqi women and children.

The world view projected by the old media is accurate.

Bambi shouldn't throw stones.

6:52 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...


you keep insisting that you aren't liberal. Does this mean that you're regressive and intolerant, or that you have liberalism confused with leftism?

Just curious.

6:54 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...


do you offer the secret leftist handjob and password to every guy you meet? Do you whisper the password in their ear with a little tongue? What is the password? BUSHITLER? Darwin? Osama?If someone refuses, does that make them an evil neocon?

7:07 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

Pheolonious Monkey,

you moonbats always try to get rational people to "pop a vein." Not exactly an admirable pursuit, but emblematic of your pathology.

Of course, every time your taunts prompt a thorough thrashing of your failed ideology and your personal shortcomings, you try to turn it around and claim that you frustrated the other guy. This is like the guy lying on the ground in a bloody heap claiming that he whipped the other guy.

I'm not the one who had to take some aspirin, dumbass.

Your crowing about a fictional debating victory and my equally fictional frivolity come as no surprise. You are a typically reality challenged moonbat.

Your chief weapon seems to be ignoring reality. No matter how many times your leftist nonsense is refuted, you blithely continue to mouth the same canards.

You're a clown. I thought clowns were supposed to be entertaining?

7:16 PM  
Blogger John said...

"Liberalism confused with leftism?"

Interesting distinction--and a valid one; but I think it's safe to use them interchangeably in many contexts...

Would you say that the liberal would be the Teletubby, and the Leftist the authoritarian voice in this analogy?

7:17 PM  
Blogger John said...

Phelonius a "moonbat," Bargholz?

That's kind of like calling Sanjay a Muslim.


Phelonius is a libertarian.

7:21 PM  
Blogger John said...

Get a load of "mature" Jeff using adolescent idioms to cut down Bargholz's "immaturity":

"But honestly, John, this guy is immature as all get out..."

"All get out?"


7:27 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...


the Teletubbies AND the authoritarian voice are leftists. The Tubbies represent leftists living in a Fantasy Land of paradise on Earth and the authoritarian voice is the leftist overlord that decrees how they should think, feel and lead their lives.

The show is even more subversive than I thought.

Conservatives espouse all kinds of liberal/progressive policies. We want to reform social security, welfare, medicare, affirmative action/racism/sexism, Congress, the Supreme Court, abortion law, the fictional separation of Church and State, gun control. etc., etc., etc.

Leftists oppose all of these things and more.

Leftism is not synonymous with liberalism. Not ever.

9:31 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...


true Libertarians share many beliefs of the moonbat left. They find common cause on many issues that are too important for the adults to let them play with. Hard-core Libertarians believe in an every-man-for-himself law of the jungle and a monumentally naive belief in cooperation between said individuals. They are clinically insane.

I have many "Libertarian" leanings, but I'm not deluded enough to actually be a Libertine.

In any case, I don't care about PM's political philosophy. He's shown a complete disregard for my own and has portrayed it dishonestly and incorrectly since our first encounter.

He obviously dislikes being described as an extreme leftist--which is the main reason I do so.

I think he may have finally figured out why I refer to him as Phelonious Monkey, but I could be wrong. About that, anyway.

9:41 PM  
Blogger John said...

Bargholz said:

"The show is even more subversive than I thought."

lol It's insidious. And targets the impressionable minds of kids.

I'm sorry. I meant "The Children" (whose names--I really hope--aren't Hansel and Gretel).

"Conservatives espouse all kinds of liberal/progressive policies..."

"Leftism is not synonymous with liberalism. Not ever."

I gotcha. Yes, conservatives are classically liberal, modern "liberals" are not; they're leftists--though they like to refer to the classical definition to describe themselves.

When I use "liberal" unqualified by "classical," I mean today's leftist so-called "liberal."

"...true Libertarians share many beliefs of the moonbat left. They find common cause on many issues that are too important for the adults to let them play with."

I think on social issues they find common ground, but overall the leftist "liberal" is the natural enemy of the Libertarian.

The Libertarians loved the de-regulating Reagan and were firmly in Bush's "approvals" column (if only as the better of two evils).

Libertarians who bailed on Bush in the first term did so because of their anti-intervensionist stance on Foreign Policy.

The ones who bailed now--contributing to Bush's bottomed approvals--got the heebie-jeebies over the NSA stuff (which really rubs the Libertarian the wrong way--on principle).

Still, I have a buddy who's a Libertarian (and a Constitutional lawyer here in Washington) who not only voted for Bush in both elections (he liked Hagedorn, of course, but knew Hagedorn couldn't win and also knew Bush needed his vote to beat the liberal Kerry in what was gearing up to be another squeaker, so he gladly gave it to him).

He still supports the president, and works trying to get his apppointeees confirmed.

"Libertarians believe in an every-man-for-himself law of the jungle and a monumentally naive belief in cooperation between said individuals."

Liberals (modern-day ones) do NOT embrace the former--but seem to share the latter notion.

"I have many "Libertarian" leanings..."

Me too. Some strong ones.

"In any case, I don't care about PM's political philosophy. He's shown a complete disregard for my own and has portrayed it dishonestly and incorrectly since our first encounter."

He's a good man, and a fellow American.

10:51 PM  
Blogger Kelly said...

Jeff Bargholz said...


you keep insisting that you aren't liberal. Does this mean that you're regressive and intolerant, or that you have liberalism confused with leftism?

Just curious.

I think that John covered that topic well enough. I also understand the "classic liberal" term vs. the "leftists liberal" term. Like John, I use them synonymously.

I have also covered my position quite extensively in other posts.

12:18 AM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

John and Kelly,

you play into the left's hands when you describe them as liberals. I know virtually everybody does this, including well known conservatives like Rush Limbaugh and Fred Barnes, but it should be discouraged.

Lefties try to portray themselves as progressive and tolerant when in truth they're anything but. They're actually regressive fascists who try to suppress governmental and societal reforms on a regular basis.

Calling them liberals is like writing "Palestinian" without quotation marks or calling pro-infanticide "pro-choice."

3:50 PM  
Blogger John said...

Kelly: So then JeffB.--sticking to the classical definition-- was actually complementing you when he called you a "liberal Mormon."

And that goes back the discussion of how words have "changed" in meaning: Gay/happy to gay/homosexual, and liberal/inquisitive to liberal/fascist.

6:45 AM  

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