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Wednesday, May 24, 2006

The Liberal Samurai Is Running Away?


Sanjay said:

John: Seems to me you jump all over Jeff for comments like Bs. There was a time when was a place for respectful dialogue. I'm outta here.

Dear Sanjay:

I just the caught the exchange.

The difference is that I "jumped all over" Jeff (Bush-hating liberal Jeff) not because he had launched all sorts of ad hominem attacks against me and turned the excellent blog of Republicus into an episode of the Jerry Springer Show while calling me all sorts of character-assassinating names in the process, like "bigot" to "racist" to "fascist" to "friggin' fascist" to "anglo-fascist" to "Christo-fascist" to "blind" to "moron," and "standing proudly behind each and every word" (like "I hope Bush gets assassinated!") but because he had refused to abide by two simple, reasonable rules:

I evicted him forever several times because he (1) wouldn't stop importing and postering the walls of the commentary section with lengthy, lefty screeds written by his intellectually drug-dealing gurus, and (2) because he offended the sensitive Kelly and caused her to leave.

As far as I can tell, Samurai, you're not a conservative mother of five kids who's on the board of the P.T.A...

...unless that really is you up there in the pic? :)

Do you really expect me to make Bargholz apologize to you?

Come on. More scata flies back and forth on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives (or at a European soccer game).

This whole thing's amusing to me.

Bargholz is a friggin' daisy-cutter--if not a MOAB.

Unfortunately, he's causing a lot of collateral damage with his Shock & Awe, and that includes unloading on you.

Bargholz, you were wrong about Sanjay's character.

Sure, he spouts a lot of nonsense, but that's just his transfused liberalism talking. :)

(He's been victimized by Paul Begala and Al Franken.)

But he's--hitherto, anyway-- an active guest, friendly, and overall courteous to everyone.

He is nowhere near the "troll" category.

There's a lot of crossed signals here, but you are wrong about your presumptuous conviction that he was a terrorist apologist (from what I understand, he wanted Zarqaowi executed).

From what I can tell from his own words, he's an apologist for Islam, and simply thinks that bin Laden doesn't know his Quran.

That he--along with others--refuse to acknowledge the demonstrable AND self-evident fact that Islam--as a whole--is undergirded by aggressive militancy is not the point here (though is at the crux of the debate).

You were wrong that he attacked you personally, at least to any extent that deserved a bazooka blast.

In fact, his response to you--from what is gathered, though the timeline of commentaries from post-to-post and back again is difficult to ascertain -- seemed quite calm and impersonal (with a touch of sarcasm and ribbing that is quite tame compared to the obligatory snideness I get from the usual lefty detractors):

You're gonna have to enlighten me on how our enlightened friend Jeff B. isn't contradicting himself. Or do I have to use a little nuance to read between the lines?

Just out of curiousity, do you let that guy hang around to make yourself look sane :)

You're response to that squirt-gun (well, he called you insane, but...) was this bazooka blast:

Libertine-sucks-a-guy (Liberal Samurai-takes-it-in-the-eye,)

I suspected that you were a Muhammadan pedophile who takes it up the ass by diseased monkeys, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt and made some polite overtures.

You attacked me like a rabid dog with a turd wedged in its ass, which is about ten steps up from a musloid, of course. You distorted everything I wrote, and lied flat-out when distortions wouldn't suffice. Your felch-breath must have rotted what few parts of your minuscule brain that the syphilis didn't. Congenital cretinism is a bitch. Don't blow your nose too hard or you'll lose what brains you have, dune-coon.

In fact, Sanjay is not a Muslim.

You were wrong again.

Is it possible that you were wrong on other presumptions, as well?

Consider:

I'm not a lying apologist like you, who posts idiotic propaganda with the sole intention of white-washing islame (not SIC John!).

In fact, it was Douglass who used the first "sic" for "Islame," indicating a misspelling. If in fact I did follow that up with a "SIC!" of my own (I really don't remember if I did, and I'm not about to go looking for that needle in that haystack), it was only to vociferously support the spelling of Islame.

And yet you assumed I was spell-checking you.

Also, you've made it clear that you do not support white-on-black racism:

I never excused anything the KKK does.

So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt when you were addressing guest Douglass that you were accusing him of stealthily projecting his own (as alleged by you) racism:

Give me a reason not to label you as a nigger cock-sucker. Oh! Did I mean African? That's what you wrote, when you REALLY meant NIGGER.

That more than crosses the line of decency, Mr. Bargholz, and is an unwarranted presumption. Are you a mind-reader? Republicus is not, so he will only assume that you were accusing Douglass of projection-- though undeservedly; Douglass has not demonstrated any racist tendencies in his language or argument--yes, I'm well-aware that racism goes both ways, but I found nothing "anti-anglo" in his arguments, either.

But as for you, what is this "dune-coon" business?

An Indian-American--i.e. Sanjay-- who is not even a Muslim and draws a hard-line against Islamic terrorists (again, he wanted Zarqaowi executed) is a "dune-coon?"

Republicus wouldn't condone such racist language even against any Bedouins who are terrorists, as neither skin-color nor topography cause the embracing of a violent ideology on their own, but to level a racially-loaded epithet like "coon" against Sanjay is unacceptable, Mr. Bargholz, and you distract from--and discredit--the excellent points you made, such as these (which warrant the rousing of righteous anger):
You excuse everything islame does--genocide, gang-rapes, murdering your daughter, mother, sister, wife and other female relatives, thievery, lying...but Christians are BAD. Yeah, right.
Yes, as I properly contrasted in my "Christian Vs. Muslim" series--and igniting a storm of controversy from those who begged to differ in the process, and, yes, attempted moral equivalence to level the playing field.

The Liberal Samurai was one of those who begged to differ, and said I was flirting with bigotry. I argued the fallaciousness of that conclusion--a non sequiter-- based on what was presented and what I repeatedly clarified.

Moving beyond Sanjay and referring to a general consensus reached among my knuckle-headed lefty detractors, how two posts that contrasted the behavior and words of two sets of African-Americans--one Christian, one Muslim-- of roughly the same age and same occupation from the same era and in the same ring led first to across-the-board bigotry...and then to racism is very strange indeed.

But contemplation of the reasoning behind the charge leads to a disturbing--and disgusting--revelation of the racist, anti-Christian liberal mind:

"Jesus is for whites, Muhammad is for blacks."

Is that it?

Right, so the Reverend Martin Luther Ling Jr. and the Born-Again Evander Holyfield are...Uncle Toms?

Go to hell (those who think that way).

Jesus is for everyone.

Muhammad for Muslims and Muslims only.

Anyway, Bargholz, cease and desist with the racially-loaded epithets, and, again, please point that bazooka of yours in the direction of the whiny and pesky "Fact-Master" Houstonmod (if he dares to show up again)...

...and Jeff, who is the one who actually attacked you on a personal level in his characteristically character-assassinating liberal way:

Psycho nut John B says...And Johns response to this psychotic fuck is...John, that’s what I was referring to you as being on board with this guy with. But apparently, if the paranoid psychosis fits………………….
Bargholz, he was the one who took your quotations out of context.

And notice how petty Liberal Jeff is: Uncomfortable with the association by first name with Jeff Bargholz, he decides to call him "John" B.

Yeah! So there!

Let's just clear up the confusion right here: Bargholz is Bargholz, and Jeff is Lee Harvey.

And I hope Sanjay gets out from under his bed and comes back to play. ;)

111 Comments:

Blogger the liberal samurai said...

I actually meant I was out of the Pyromaniacs discussion ya' dink! What, you think I'm gonna let your loony right wing rants go unchecked by my equally loony left wing smack?!!? I don't expect an apology from JB; especially if he is a milblogger. But as you pointed out in your post, I find terms like dune-coon highly inflamatory. I'm not gonna go into a life story, but believe me; I've faced my share of real racism because of what people think I am. I grew up in the South and moved North to escape that stuff so I don't react well to it.

I appreciate you defending my character; that goes a long way. And just to clear up the Moussaoui thing: as a rule I'm pretty anti-death penalty but I wouldn't have objected to its use in this case. Same goes for Zarqawi when we catch him. I'm just waiting for you to move on from the Islam/Christian thing; the topic is a little played out. The worf thing was cool though!

My overarching point is some group doesn't understand Islam. Either the dozens of muslims I know who pray daily, go to mosques etc. and aren't violent don't get that they suscribe to a violent religioun or the Jihadists/Al Qaeda/Bin Ladens don't get that Islam is a peaceful religion. Either my peaceful muslim friends are getting it wrong or the violent ones are getting it wrong. Anyway, I'm spent on this topic. Surely something else is ticking you off, shouldn't you be blogging about border jumpers or something. Jeez, a dem just found 90 grand in his freezer, you gonna let that slide!??!

9:58 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

Hmm. I doubt I can remember everything you brought up.

I don't think Sanjay or Ass are worse than the other guys you mentioned. I just had more fun screwing with them.

Sanjay did more than insinuate that I was insane before I unloaded on him. A lot more. He answered my overly polite comments with ad hominem attacks, distortions and flat out lies. As an apologist for islam he is ipso facto an apologist for terrorism. I'm sure he'll be back when he's done reporting me to CAIR. I didn't believe most of what I wrote about him, I just did it to piss him off.

Ass accused me of sucking African cock. I assume he used "African" as a euphemism for "nigger" because I've never heard anyone refer to Whites as Africans, even though they've lived there since prehistoric times. I may share some of his opinions but he's still an ass.

I don't really like racial epithets per se, but I don't think they should be avoided at all costs. If I dislike someone, or worse, hate them, I don't have any compunction about insulting them. An ethnic or racial epithet is mild compared to most actions that could be taken. I'd kill Bin Loser if I got my hands on him. I'm not going to flinch from calling him a bad name.

I don't think I would ever call a black person a nigger, but if I were called cracker, trailer-trash, white-boy, etc., I might. I've gotten into fistfights over these names in the past. Racist American Blacks think there's nothing wrong with calling Whites these names. If I'm mad enough to hit someone, I don't know why I should avoid calling him a racially intolerant name--although I always have in the past. I guess I'm uncomfortable using that word because the left has drilled into our heads that its somehow worse than asshole, fucker, cracker or white-boy. It isn't, of course.

I guess I don't really like racist epithets, but I do have a fondness for ethnic epithets. People are responsible for their vile cultural practices, but not their race. You can reject the tradition of "honor" killing, gang-rape and genocide if you want to, but changing your DNA is a lot harder. Race would be largely meaningless if it weren't for all the racist assholes trying to prove their "tolerance" by promoting divisive racial identity politics.

Reading what I wrote now, I see it was even more over the top than I thought it was when I was writing it. I was trying to be as filthy and insulting as possible. I was just a tad too successful.

Arabs are white by the way, so calling them dune coons is unkind, but it isn't racist. American Blacks and hyper sensitive whites don't like epithets like dune-coon or sand-nigger because they think they're insulting towards Blacks. They aren't directed at Blacks, so I disagree.

The other night's excess has taught me not to log on while I'm drinking.

Cheers.

10:02 PM  
Blogger John said...

I love Americans. :)

You guys are the best. Both a youze.

1:41 AM  
Blogger John said...

P.S. You like the pic, Sanjay? lol

1:42 AM  
Blogger John said...

Bargholz said:

"Sanjay did more than insinuate that I was insane before I unloaded on him. A lot more. He answered my overly polite comments with ad hominem attacks, distortions and flat out lies."

I must've missed it...

1:46 AM  
Blogger the liberal samurai said...

Fair enough guys. B, just clear something up for everyone: are you are or you not a miliblogger? And lay off the drinking and blogging!

John: I couldn't tell whether the picture is of Sayid from lost running on a beach (Fine by me) or a lady running down the beach (ugh). Either way, its your blog and alls fair :)

5:19 AM  
Blogger Kelly said...

Good to hear that all is well ;)

7:08 AM  
Anonymous douglass said...

samurai, good.

I hope that my last comment on Christian Vs. Muslim Part II didn’t influence John’s decision to post a picture illustrating you ‘running away like a woman’.

B’, again, I didn’t/don’t take offense.

I could tell that you were quick to assumptions, and by using the geographic term ‘African’, which can be interpreted as a euphemism for blacks, but is in reality a term that describes all people living on the African continent; I was baiting you into laying down a racial epithet in retaliation.

I was pleased that you fell for it.

John,

I think that our disagreement is partially rooted in our moral synopsis of the platonic and Aristotelian tradition.

Sure, it’s influence undeniably underlies the ‘golden ages’ of many modern civilizations.

But it has a catch:

Plato and Aristotle laid a trap.

See here;

(from Marimba Ani in her work, Yurugu: An African Centered Critique of European Cultural Thought and Behavior):

"Once the person was artificially split into conflicting faculties or tendencies, it made sense to think in terms of one faculty 'winning' or controlling the other(s). And here begins a pattern that runs with frighteningly predictable consistency throughout European thought...The mind is trained from birth to think in terms of dichotomies or 'splits,' (which) become irreconcilable, antagonistic opposites...one is considered 'good,' positive, superior; the other is considered 'bad,' negative, inferior. And unlike the Eastern conception of the Yin and the Yang, or the African principle of 'twinness,' these contrasting terms are not conceived as complementary and necessary parts of a whole. They are, instead, conflicting and 'threatening' to one another...it is this dichotomized perception of reality on which the controlling presence (imperialistic behavior) depends."

11:28 AM  
Blogger John said...

Sanjay said:

"I'm not gonna go into a life story, but believe me; I've faced my share of real racism because of what people think I am."

Bargholz, apparently, has as well, as a *dhimmi.*

11:29 AM  
Blogger John said...

Douglass said:

"I hope that my last comment on Christian Vs. Muslim Part II didn’t influence John’s decision to post a picture illustrating you ‘running away like a woman’."

DOUGLASS! lol! I was like "huh?" and just went back and saw this:

"...you (JB) already sent one liberal running away from you like a woman in what, 6 posts?)"

On "African":

"I could tell that you were quick to assumptions, and by using the geographic term ‘African’, which can be interpreted as a euphemism for blacks, but is in reality a term that describes all people living on the African continent..."

Well, I like using the technical descriptive "African-American" when race is relevant (over "black" or "negro" or "people of color" *etc.*) as it accurately signifies the geographical/cultural/genetic origins stripped of racial baggage, and is as objective as Irish-American, Native American, *etc.*

There are plenty of caucasians in Africa and other races, however, and other problems can be identified by using the hyphenations...

I don't know. I'm reflexively resistant to anything that involves subdividing "groupings" of humans based on race or ethninicity , anyway, especially of Americans, and especially when it leads to divisiveness.

Identifying ideological differences and the quality of the individual character is far more relevant.

"I think that our disagreement is partially rooted in our moral synopsis of the platonic and Aristotelian tradition."

Perhaps.

"Sure, it’s influence undeniably underlies the ‘golden ages’ of many modern civilizations.

But it has a catch:

Plato and Aristotle laid a trap.

See here;

(from Marimba Ani in her work, Yurugu: An African Centered Critique of European Cultural Thought and Behavior):

"Once the person was artificially split into conflicting faculties or tendencies, it made sense to think in terms of one faculty 'winning' or controlling the other(s). And here begins a pattern that runs with frighteningly predictable consistency throughout European thought...The mind is trained from birth to think in terms of dichotomies or 'splits,' (which) become irreconcilable, antagonistic opposites...one is considered 'good,' positive, superior; the other is considered 'bad,' negative, inferior. And unlike the Eastern conception of the Yin and the Yang, or the African principle of 'twinness,' these contrasting terms are not conceived as complementary and necessary parts of a whole. They are, instead, conflicting and 'threatening' to one another...it is this dichotomized perception of reality on which the controlling presence (imperialistic behavior) depends."

I subscribe to that.

I believe in Good and Evil.

Ani is promoting moral equivalence and relativity.

The absurdity of that is in the very "judgment" of Western thinking being "judgmental."

While critiquing the "dichotimized perception" and the "threatening conflicts" it creates vs. the presumptive "undichotimzed perception," Ani makes a dichotomy that itself creates conflict with that Western tradition that is accused of creating conflict, and in turn 'threatens' and "tries to control" that by the posited alternative ideology!

It's nonsense.

It's a liberal tactic that tries to vie for ideological supremacy against a superior ideology by leveling the playing field only for the opportunity to get a leg up and become the dominant ideology itself AND OPPRESSING THE CONQUERED IDEOLOGY.

It's BULLFEATHERS.

At least we men all agree on one thing: Women tend to run away from conflict. :)

Precisely, gentlemen. The TRUE conflict is not between East & West, race against race, or religion against religion, but male against female.

Mars and Venus.

Go ahead and ask any militant, lesbian feminist.

1:21 PM  
Blogger John said...

;)

1:23 PM  
Blogger the liberal samurai said...

Groan. Lets get a little less esoterric around here guys. The FBI found 90 grand in a guys freezer!!! Thats easy, c'mon take some shots. Lets get off this aristotle vs plaato crap.

1:50 PM  
Blogger John said...

90 grand in a Democrat's freezer?

Is that surprising?

Is that news?

1:53 PM  
Blogger John said...

I dunno. I like the pic of a chick running on the beach under the title: "The Liberal Samurai Is Runnig Away?"

I think I'll leave it there for a while as the first thing people see. :)

Seriously, I've got plenty of posts in the works but I've been quagmired in the commentaries...

1:57 PM  
Anonymous douglass said...

Fine samurai, we will talk about the insignificant 90 grand of scrip.

But, first I’ll respond to john’s comments here.

John said: "It's a liberal tactic that tries to vie for ideological supremacy against a superior ideology by leveling the playing field only for the opportunity to get a leg up and become the dominant ideology itself AND OPPRESSING THE CONQUERED IDEOLOGY."

I agree with that.

Also, It's an authoritarian tactic.

Don't let the socialists deceive you into thinking they are 'liberal' with anything but emotional appeals in their PR[opaganda].

Ari is Afrocentric and critical of Europe. In fact, I would ask her to name two examples of an ""undichotimzed perception," beyond the tribal setting. (there is no "undichotimzed perception")

I was looking past her political message to her point that Plato’s and Aristotle’s ethics have substantial impact on the formation and type of divisive and imperial dichotomies seen in the west.

(regardless of what Ari thinks, war-like and imperial dichotomies are NOT exclusively western)

John sarcastically said (look at the context before you get pissed at him) : " The TRUE conflict is not between East & West, race against race, or religion against religion, but male against female."

John, Ari's point is that the common thread through the western notion of conflict is that opposite sides are not compliments, they are rivals.
That is the root of Western habit of crushing the 'other', whether the most prominent division in society is religion, ism, race, eye color, whatever, the ‘other’ is crushed on the grounds that the ‘other’ inhibits the goodness of our in group.

Ok. That’s that for me on this topic, john, take the last words if you want.

2:30 PM  
Blogger Phelonius said...

LOL...John!

My wife is no feminist, but if you back her into a corner and expect her to just run away you most certainly have another thing coming to you! (i.e., a good fight)

2:34 PM  
Blogger Phelonius said...

douglass,

I agree with you that the Aristotelian/Platonic synthesis (widely defined) can lead to the understanding of opposites as being in conflict, but I would propose that that synthesis was broadly influenced by the semetic/eurasian understanding as well. You point out that it is hard to find a point of view that does not contain an "us vs. them" division. That is true as well.
Cogent to this discussion is that the ideals of Zoroastrianism far pre-date the greek philosophers, as they practically came out of the stone ages by our time-scale. My question is: how does Ari deal with the dichotomies present in the semetic religions of the east/middle east. I am curious because I am not at all familiar with Ari.

2:47 PM  
Anonymous douglass said...

Phelonius:

mea culpa, it's Professor Marimba *Ani*, (I have trouble with non-European names)

She is not kind to the church. But the point of Yurugu was to analyze european culture for the purpose of fighting it.

Ani is a pan-africanist who is trying to bring euro-American culture under critique and analysis from the perspective of how this culture has harmed the agency of Africans and other non-europeans in YURUGU; An African-centered Critique of European Cultural Thought and Behavior (the only work of Ani's that I have read).

She is examining euro-American culture in a deliberately harsh, intentionally politicized, but sometimes accurate fashion. In her own words: “This analysis is ideological and political. We are at war ”

Here: is a review of the work that is brief, but comprehensive.

http://www.cultural-expressions.com/diaspora/yurugu.htm

(ps. I don’t buy into those politics for a second)

4:10 PM  
Blogger nanc said...

it was a hundred grand, samurai - but what's ten grand?

looks like i missed ALL the fun. oh well, guess i shouldn't have taken that job. then ennui...

hey, i love bargholz - one of the finest creatures God ever made. he says many things people are thinking and would never say out loud themselves.

5:00 PM  
Blogger Kelly said...

Like Nanc, I missed out on a bit today.

Sanjay said, "Groan. Lets get a little less esoterric around here guys. The FBI found 90 grand in a guys freezer!!! Thats easy, c'mon take some shots. Lets get off this aristotle vs plaato crap."

I heard about that cache of cash in that guys freezer.

Certainly didn't make the front page.

7:48 PM  
Blogger John said...

Phelonius said:

"Cogent to this discussion is that the ideals of Zoroastrianism far pre-date the greek philosophers, as they practically came out of the stone ages by our time-scale."

True, Persian mythological dates take him back into the Neolithic period, but formal Zorastrianism--though drawing on the mythogy-- appears to have been developed much later.

Zoroaster may--may, mind you-- have preceded the Greek philosophers by only a couple of centuries.

Half a century, tops, by some reckonings.

It's very well within the realm of possibility that he was a contemporay of the exiled Israelites in Babylon 1000(~590-540 B.C).

The question is, did Judaism influence Zoroaster, or Zoroaster Judaism?

Certainly, the Light-Dark Ahura Mazda (God) and Ahriman (Devil) dichotomy of Zoroastrianism reverberates out of the Old Testament, but there is an essential difference between Zoroastrianism and Judaism:

Zoroastrianism is dualism: "Good" and "Evil" co-existed from the beginning as dueling, fraternal twins of sorts.

Judaism has only God at the very beginning.

Evil came about by the fallen angel Lucifer, who was created by God.

This is the kind of stuff college professors investigate with the tuition money.

I'm inclined to bypass the Persian influence altogether in terms of the origins of the radical monotheistic Concept of Judaism (polytheism was all the rage)and go back a millennium to Egypt, namely, the renegade Pharoah Akhenaton and his bucking of conservative Egyptain polytheism and the elevation of the sun-god Aton from one of many to a *primus inter pares* to the One True God.

Was Moses a contemporay of Akhenaton, perhaps even a priest of his?

Freud thought so, but he doesn't have much company in thinking that.

9:08 PM  
Blogger John said...

P.S. That kind of thinking has infected the American educational system BIG TIME.

9:24 PM  
Blogger John said...

Kelly said:

"(The cash-on-ice) Certainly didn't make the front page."

Surprised?

Was there any ink left after emptying the bottles on Delay's presumed guilt, and Lay's conviction?

--they won't be making too much noise about Lay, though, because top-dogs in the Democratic Party--including Clinton--had their own palms greased by Kenny-boy. :)

Douglass said (about Ani):

"She is not kind to the church. But the point of Yurugu was to analyze european culture for the purpose of fighting it...Ani is a pan-africanist who is trying to bring euro-American culture under critique and analysis from the perspective of how this culture has harmed the agency of Africans and other non-europeans...She is examining euro-American culture in a deliberately harsh, intentionally politicized, but sometimes accurate fashion. In her own words: “This analysis is ideological and political. We are at war. ”

Why am I not surprised about that, either?

And why do these goddamn anti-Westerners keep whining about the "belligerent" and "war-mongering" and "Manichaean" West and then declare war on it in the next breath on the Manichaean judgment that it's "evil?"

Maybe because they're idiots and bereft of any self-awareness?

Ani can kiss the Platonic behind of Republicus.

9:34 PM  
Blogger John said...

Douglass discerned:

"Also, It's an authoritarian tactic."

Oh, yeah.

But then the little fascist leftist goes around chiming: "We're anti-authoritarian! We're anti-fascists!"

Dump those losers, Sanjay.

9:38 PM  
Blogger John said...

I asked in the post:

"'Jesus is for whites, Muhammad is for blacks.'

Is that it?"

If so, tell it the (Arab?) Muslims who are massacring black Muslims (and Christians, of course) in Sudan.

9:42 PM  
Anonymous douglass said...

John: "'Jesus is for whites, Muhammad is for blacks.'"

That is clearly inaccurate (i.e. the Serb v. Muslim theme in the Balkan conflicts that go back to the battle of Kosovo field in 1389 ["field of blackbirds" ], as well as the recent Chechen wars are evidence against that).


Religion is not race-specific.

John: “And why do these goddamn anti-Westerners keep whining about the "belligerent" and "war-mongering" and "Manichaean" West and then declare war on it in the next breath on the Manichaean judgment that it's "evil?"

Maybe because they're idiots and bereft of any self-awareness?”

Well, there are many reasons, john. The Anti-westerner Ani is merely using Judaism as a model for Black hegemony over AfriKa.

Ani actually claims that Blacks living internationally are an African Diaspora, that the Blacks have a birthright to the land of Africa, that it defines their culture and spirituality.

Just as Zionists demand hegemony over the land of Eretz-Isreal in the name of Jews, Ani and the AfriKa movement demand similar terms over Africa in the name of blacks.

Her Ideas are remarkably similar to manifest destiny of the 'dead rich white males' whose culture she openly hates.

10:36 PM  
Blogger John said...

BTW Bargholz, from what you explained, I take it that your shrugging flippancy with racially-charged words like "nigger" and "coon" aren't meant to be taken...personally?

Well, they're ugly words, Jeff, because there's a lot of personal pain wrapped up in them.

I deplore PC word-twisting and thought-control and its concern for hyper-sensitivities, but I would think that only the most callous or stoic of African-Americans can hear those words from the days of slavery and Jim Crow (not too long ago: school kids who were firehoused and had german shepherds unleashed on them are still alive) and not bat an eyelash.

It is pretty obvious, I would think, that I'm not exactly the touchy-feely type, but a reasonable respect for justified sensitivities are in order.

Yes, it goes both ways. Like I've said before, some of the most outrageously racist statements I've heard today have come from the Left, and even from liberal African-Americans, but it us up to you to set the better example, rather than use the bad one to justify the persistence of language that should have died along with John Wilkes Booth.

I don't support reparations (the debt was well-paid by hundreds of thousands dead in the Civil War), but the descendants of American slaves nevertheless are entitled to some recognition that their ancestors toiled under the blazing sun for someone else and for zero wages if only by not having to hear the same words used by the whip-wielding overseer.

I don't think asking for that common courtesy is asking for much.

10:38 PM  
Blogger John said...

Douglass said:

John: "'Jesus is for whites, Muhammad is for blacks.'"

"That is clearly inaccurate..."

You're right, it's not. I was merely trying to fathom how my juxtaposing of Christians MLK and Holyfield and Muslims Malcolm X and Tyson went from accusations of anti-Muslim bigotry to charges of racism.

The only possible way was for the accuser--not the accused-- to harbor such notions.

10:42 PM  
Blogger John said...

Douglass: I meant "You're right, it IS!" (i.e. inaccurate)

I said:

"I don't support reparations (the debt was well-paid by hundreds of thousands dead in the Civil War)..."

Yes. And furthermore, the Greek ancestors of Republicus had nothing to do with it: they were dhimmi under the Ottomans.

10:53 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

"Sanjay did more than insinuate that I was insane before I unloaded on him. A lot more. He answered my overly polite comments with ad hominem attacks, distortions and flat out lies."


Didb you really miss it? I don't think you're that stupid.

3:18 AM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

LS,

I don't know what a "Miliblogger" is, so I cant answer your question.

Yeah, I drink. What's your excuse?

3:20 AM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

Ass,

why is "African" a euphemism for "Black?" Are Blacks offensive? Is "African" a less offensive word?

I didn't fall for your racism.

Marimba Ani doesn't know shit about Plato or Aristotle. Leftist assholes always see physical and cultural differences as being "superior" or "inferior," rather than simply different. IQ, athletic ability, industriousness, honesty, loyalty, aggression, cowardice, bravery etc., can be measured on a scale of lesser to greater, but only the PC crowd brings inferior/superior into the mix. This is ironic, because these are the same morons who are trying to sanctify people's differences in the name of "diversity."

I guess diversity is only useful when it can be used to demonize white males of European descent.

FUCK YOU.

I guess EVERYONE in the "East" ascribes to the Yin and Yang philosophy that virtually none of them practice, and everyone in Africa ascribes to the principle of "twinness" that virtually none of THEM practice. "Twinness" isn't even a real word.

Race is a social construct, and Greek philosophy preaches the inferiority of Western thought. Yeah, right.

John buys into your manufactured conservative persona because he's a tolerant and slightly naive guy. I'm not fooled.

Your Marimba Ani quote shatters any rational pretensions you might have had.

ASS.

3:42 AM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

Phelonius Monkey;

feminists (female supremacists,) don't fight, they legislate. Their entire ideology is based on weakness and envy.

I don't believe for a minute that you're married. I think you're a fat geek who can't get laid, much less get married.

3:47 AM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

John,

the word "nigger" cannot be claimed as the sole province of American Blacks. If they don't want White, Mongolian, Indian, (American Indians, not the white ones from the sub-continent,) etc., people to use it--even when it's not directed at them-- they need to stop using it themselves.

Oh, yeah. They need too stop using racial epithets against whites, too. Until then, they can kiss my ass along with you and anyone else who objects to such words.

Modern American Blacks have suffered far less than Jewish, Irish, or Indian American Americans. That goes for the descendants of all concerned, as well.

"African American" is a ridiculous adjective. It suggests that all Blacks come from Africa, which is Bullshit. It also implies that all Africans are Black--which is monumentally stupid bullshit.

Tell me. Do you think that all "African Americans" have multi-citizenship in America and all 55 African countries? I'm here to tell you that they sure as hell do not.

The term "African American" was coined by racists with the sole intention of promoting racism.

4:06 AM  
Blogger the liberal samurai said...

JeffB: I'm kind of befuddled about the distortions, ad hominem attacks and flat out lies myself; but whatever. I called you insane & nuts and thats it. Others have copied and pasted some of your other stuff but that wasn't me.

A miliblogger is a member of the military who is blogging. A few of us are under the impression that you are a member of the armed forces; is that true? (due respect if you are).

6:23 AM  
Blogger Dana said...

I'm so glad you stood up to that guy. Ugh. Some people have a lot of nerve. They can dish it out, but can't take it!

6:46 AM  
Blogger Phelonius said...

Bargholz,

I think you are about 16, maybe 17, and your little brain makes others around you embarassed for you. If your Mommy knew what bad language you use on the internet, she would ground you to your room, but since you are the "special olympics" of the blogger world she would feel sorry for you at the same time.

C'mon, Bargholz, really impress us all with your BAD BOY language. Maybe you can think of other things to call people! That takes so MUCH thought.

I do not think you are in the military like others have said. The military needs grown up men and women, not little boys that need their mouth washed out with soap.

7:11 AM  
Blogger Kelly said...

I am starting to really like our old "Jeff, Jeff, Jeff..." (In comparison)

This Jeff B. needs to grow up. At least he is an equal opportunity offender. He picks on the liberal and the conservative with equal distaste.

7:39 AM  
Anonymous Jeff said...

Yeah, I'm just a big old softy Kelly :)

I pegged this guy the minute he walked in here. Just give him enough rope and he'll take care of himself. Dang go to a conference for a few days and this is the level of discourse we get to. LOL, oh crap, well looks like I didn't miss a whole bunch. Although John, this discussion was right up your alley of interest(historical christianity,mythology etc), way beyond me.

8:10 AM  
Anonymous Ass said...

Bargholz,

(sigh)

We have been over this before.

Communist.

Anyway, Where the fuck does a person like YOU get the nerve to say something like THIS:

"John buys into your manufactured conservative persona because he's a tolerant and slightly naive guy. I'm not fooled."

No, you are the commie, and anyways, you have too much semen in your face to read the computer screen.

I am finished being tolerant of your nutless antics, sir.

9:50 AM  
Anonymous ASS said...

Bargholz,

(sigh)

We have been over this before.

Communist.

Anyway, Where the fuck does a person like YOU get the nerve to say something like THIS:

"John buys into your manufactured conservative persona because he's a tolerant and slightly naive guy. I'm not fooled."

No, you are the commie, and anyways, you have too much semen in your face to read the computer screen.

I am finished being tolerant of your nutless antics, sir.

9:51 AM  
Anonymous Ass said...

there, i said it.

TWICE

10:01 AM  
Blogger Kelly said...

Jeff, Jeff, Jeff said,

"Jeff said...

Yeah, I'm just a big old softy Kelly :)"



Don't push your luck too much there Jeff ;) I did say, "in comparison".

12:52 PM  
Blogger John said...

Jeff B. said:

"Oh, yeah. They need too stop using racial epithets against whites, too."

I replied:

"Yes, it goes both ways. Like I've said before, some of the most outrageously racist statements I've heard today have come from the Left, and even from liberal African-Americans..."

"Until then, they can kiss my ass along with you and anyone else who objects to such words."

I also said:

"...but it us up to you to set the better example, rather than use the bad one to justify the persistence of language that should have died along with John Wilkes Booth."

It's not a question of PC word control and the indulgement of hyper-sensitivities (hypocritical ones, at that).

It's a matter of aesthetics and good manners.

Pointing out the vile racism from Cynthia Mckinnon's equally vile lawyer when he called Sean Hannity a "rich white boy" does not justify Hannity if he reciprocated with equal barbarity.

4:23 PM  
Blogger Phelonius said...

John, do not waste your time with the likes of Jeff "the Barg-man." I, and others, have poked his buttons and we fully expect that he will writhe around on the ground shouting nasty words and calling people names because that is really all he is capable of doing. He attacked me without knowing *a damn thing* about me or what I am about. He is a child in his mind if not his body, and all it will do is drag what was, at least, a fairly open forum into the ground, which is where he is evidently most happy.

Come on Barg-man. I challenged you earlier to show us some really impressive cursing. We know you are up to it. You showed little else earlier. Why so quiet now? Not enough of Mommy's burbon in your system yet? Maybe she found out and you still have the taste of Irish Spring running around your gums?

4:59 PM  
Blogger John said...

As to lefty "hypersensivities," I've been called a "racist" because of the very PC BULLSHIT you yourself are also disgusted by, Bargholz, but I did not move beyond acknowledging that Cynthia Mckinnon looked like our pal Buckwhat in that pic to using the term "buckwheats" to refer to generic, anonymous black people.

Likewise with the "Christian Vs. Muslem series": I pointed out that the Quran *strongly* promotes intolerance and violent jihad for its own "Final Solution" of the problem of infidels, and is far more likely to produce terrorists for that cause than the Bible does towards heathens for its own.

The evidence of that is so plain that perhaps the deniers of that have simply been slapped so silly in the face by it that they're just confused because the obviousness makes a fool out of their PC illusions and they become unhinged by the intellectual strain created by the outrageous and nonsensical rationalizing to deny the obvious and so keep the PC illusions alive.

Because they can't handle the truth--especially if it means humbly admitting that they've been brainwashed and duped.

(cult members are very resistant to de-programming.)

And so, instead, in response, they can only splutter: "Why, that...that...that's bigotry!"

...as if I said that all Muslims are terrorists, which I never did.

I simply said that the Quran promotes terrorism against the infidel (which could be a Shia as far as a Sunni is concerned) in ways that The Bible does not against heathens (or each other).

Does ANY degree of exposure to the Quran automatically instill a malevolent spirit of hate and intolerance and violent inclinations?

I don't know. Ask Bargholz.

He read it.

James said:

"Why so quiet now? Not enough of Mommy's burbon in your system yet? Maybe she found out and you still have the taste of Irish Spring running around your gums?"

lol Ah, Phelonious.

5:10 PM  
Blogger John said...

Bargholz said:

"Sanjay did more than insinuate that I was insane before I unloaded on him. A lot more. He answered my overly polite comments with ad hominem attacks, distortions and flat out lies.'


Did you really miss it? I don't think you're that stupid."

I did miss it. I said in the post:

"In fact, his response to you--from what is gathered, though the timeline of commentaries from post-to-post and back again is difficult to ascertain -- seemed quite calm and impersonal (with a touch of sarcasm and ribbing that is quite tame compared to the obligatory snideness I get from the usual lefty detractors):

Sanjay said: 'You're gonna have to enlighten me on how our enlightened friend Jeff B. isn't contradicting himself. Or do I have to use a little nuance to read between the lines?'

That was the firt time I could tell by browsing through the hurricane of words that Sanjay "attacked" you, and I honestly thought you may have confused him with Lee Harvey Jeff, who called you a "psychotic, sick fuck."

As I said regarding the "SIC" presumption, "I really don't remember...and I'm not about to go looking for that needle in that haystack."

But if Sanjay did toss a dart or three at you-- or launched a couple from a crossbow-- pardon my uninformed presumption, and I guess you are well within your rights to wheel around and fire a bazooka-- which is fine by me in practice when landing a sledgehammer on the head of pestering mosquitos like Houston
and the other Jeff (if even for just the hell of it).

But you went overboard and were gratuitously vulgar.

Remember what you told me:

"Less is more."

You're intelligent and well-informed (as I can see in *The Autonomist*), with a righteous anger towards Leftist ideology that I share, but you're letting that anger (if not Jim Beam)consume you, and the vomited vitriole not only drowns out the very sensible things you do say (when sober?), but makes you sound very much like the hateful, unhinged liberal.

If not the terrorists themselves.

This reminds me of that old *Twilight Zone* episode, where a murderer (if memory serves) was waiting to be hanged.

I think it was manslaughter...perhaps a drunk driving incident that led to the death of a child?

In any case, the killer was no Charles Manson, but a sad, guilt-ridden wretch.

But the villagefolk were very angry, and they began to resemble an angry, hateful mob.

They became so ugly in their vindictive, murderous rage, that the sky kept getting darker and darker...

As the drama progressed, the mob grew so ugly with hate, that they looked a lot more evil than the manslaughtering but guilt-ridden drunk-driver did.

And the sky kept getting darker and darker, and stayed that way well after the sun was supposed to rise...

5:57 PM  
Blogger Phelonius said...

John,

It is possible that the Barg-man has a sense of shame, but I doubt it. Maybe a miracle will occur.

6:38 PM  
Blogger Phelonius said...

John and douglass,

Now, if we can free ourselves for a minute, (yes, I have baited the Barg-man, but just maybe he will let the adults speak for a bit.) The thing about the Zoroastrians and their influence that has fascinated me is that the the Arian invasion after the neolithic age is the worship of fire and/or the Sun. While it is true that the the teachings of Zarathustra only predate the Jewish/Semitic understanding by a few years, the pantheon of Ahura-Mazda and the others ther are ancient beyond words. They are the true remnants of the Arian sun-worshippers, and the closest analogy are the Indian Brahmans and the influence that they brought to the Indian (native) pantheon.

The jewish/semitic influence from Zoroaster was really minimal when compared to the influence of later so-called heresies that came into Europe such as the Boghomils and the Mancheans in the later middle ages. The semitic world had, without influence from the Zoroastrians to that extent, an ideal of the God of Jacob vs. the Gods of the Caananites. They had some exposure, to be sure, but a great many scholars agree that the semetic ideal of good versus evil had little influence from anything that the Greeks or the Persians were thinking about. There is some possibility that the worship of Aton had an influence on Moses, but that is speculative at best. Aton predated "Mosha" by a couple of centuries, as far as I can tell. That is an interesting question.

According to Eliade, that was not necessary. Even the worship of Aton did not mean the exclusion of the other Gods of the Egyptian pantheon: it meant his primary place among the other Gods. Witness the fact that the other Egyptian centers did not cease under Ahkenaton, but rather increased. His was another pantheon.

The problem, then, when faced by a thing like Islam, is that you must look at the influences behind the theosophic background. There was a recent backlash against the Muslim extremists in Indonesia by the *majority* of muslims there because they do not believe that killing people fits with their beliefs. They are not doing this because they are under pressure by a government, but because it is screwing up their way of life. THAT is why talking about the Quran as the source of all evil (and yes, John, you have extrapolated yourself from that quagmire to a fair degree) is not rational.

Ok, Barg-man, the gauntlet is thrown. Come in and tell me about "turds wedged in out asses" and how we are not fit to be ignorant like you. Call names. Embarass yourself. I am waiting.

7:37 PM  
Anonymous douglass said...

Phelonius,

Woah.

I’m keeping my gauntlet off the ground.

Haven't you picked up on the pattern here?

Like Jeffb or not, but he's got an effective technique on his hands.

He is baiting and provoking everyone BUT the admin so that he can balkanize this forum at his discretion.

It is a game to him.

He thinks that it is fun to provoke.

To put things lightly, by first securing John's support, then by agitating and provoking sophistically, he is controlling the climate here.

The second we begin to respond sincerely to Jeffb, he begins to successfully play us like violins.

I don't take him seriously.

Neither should you.

On the topic of the fallacy of interpreting the Koran as the source of all evil in the Muslim world, I'll see what John has to say about your philosophy.

(History in the B.C.E. isn't my strong suit)

8:34 PM  
Blogger Phelonius said...

Ok, ok. Good response, and advice is taken. Maybe I played into his hands and should not do so. I was just waiting for him to squeal and start calling names again as I predict he will. I have enjoyed the dialogue here and am not used to idiots, and I was hoping that he would start imprecating again so I could have some fun.

There is not a single thing I have taken from Bargholz as a serious item after he started shouting and blathering. I picked up on the pattern alright. I failed to control my own desire to bait him as much as I could. What disappointed me was that I got no response from the first couple of tries, and that is MY BAD. The rest of you should not have to suffer my own sense of humor. At any rate, no matter what the Barg-man says, others will still continue to have a discussion,

8:48 PM  
Anonymous douglass said...

oh, Phelonius,

The influence that the Koran has on the behavior of Muslims is never quite the same in different cultures and across time, so the role of the Koran in Muslim society is always up for debate.

More important to me than the influence of scripture and the influence of pre-Abraham-ian religion is the fact that both the Bible and the Koran say that a person should fear G-d, that G-d is Jealous, and that if a person doesn't do what G-d wants, that person is doomed to an eternity of unrelenting agony, torture, and pain.

That is extreme.

If somebody came up to me on the street and said that he was jealous of me paying attention to other people, that I should fear him, and that if I didn't do what he wanted me to do, I would be tortured mercilessly, I would do all in my power to kill that man.

But, that is my take on things.

I recognize the agency of other humans.

Because of that, I know that what I see as ominous others might see as the religion of love and the one truth in the world.

And so, I am steadfast in my support of religious freedom.

I support the right to practice Christianity on the same grounds that I support the right to practice Islam, that is:

I do NOT have the right to tell another person what they can think or what they can believe in.

8:57 PM  
Blogger Phelonius said...

Well, douglass, what you are experiencing is the very pain that made the founding fathers of this country write what they did into the Constitution. The idea that the government should be able to decree what part of Christianity or any other religion you must follow as a consequence of where you live had already been built in blood through the wars of the Reformation in Europe. The Council of Worms was the first cessation in Europe of that ideal.

Thomas Jefferson is an ideal of mine as far as political thought goes, but religiously we would not have agreed. I am a Roman Catholic. He was a Deist. So was Franklin, evidently, amd I surely ascribe to his political outlook. The founders had already looked at religious zealots on this continent and had decided that while a christian ideal was the norm, it was not going to be the rule of law.

The last thing that a Franklin or a Jefferson or a Washington would have ever ascribed to is a support of a "State supported and enforced religious creed." Unfortunately, what people in other countries do not have that we do is the idea of a state that cannot enforce a religious creed. It does not mean that the state cannot enforce a moral position through law.

The reason that I am a Libertarian is that I still believe that the local people can have the right to say, within Constitutional grounds, what the laws should say in regards to moral issues like murder, abortion, speed laws, etc. The local people here are more or less defined by what state you live in. That does not mean, for example, that the witch burnings of the 1600's should be somehow legal, as that is clearly a Constitutional issue. The religious ideals circa 670 AD in Arabia are not a concern here legally as long as those who believe in that understand that our laws as a republic here will not agree. That is the place where all of those countries that follow a republic as a government cannot get too much more screwed up than, say, France. (God help them.)

9:30 PM  
Blogger John said...

I like Mr. Bargholz. He's welcome anytime (just don't forget to duck).

I also like Godzilla. :)

...just take it easy on the racial epithets, Bargholz.

10:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

LS,

here are your own words:


"JeffB: I'm kind of befuddled about the distortions, ad hominem attacks and flat out lies myself; but whatever. I called you insane & nuts and thats it."


Reread your previous words:


John/Jeff/Kelly: You guys gonna back me up here? Surely you 3 don't think all muslim's are jihadists. Let me Guess Jeff B. you've read the Koran cover to cover and have degree in religious studies and can explain the nuance in it? Oh you don't... Wow, yet you claim understanding of the Koran. And I don't think everyone goes to mosques, I mean many people attend religous services. So you know many muslims eh; yet none of them have tried to kill you?!!? Its funny that you'll excuse the KKK but as a fringe group but Jihadists are mainstream muslims. Oh, and only people who go go to mosques murder people? I guess those murdered gynocologists set bombs at their own clinic.


If you're still befuddled it's because you're stupid. Don't deny words that are still there for everyone to see.

I notice that you didn't even try to refute any of the points I made. Cheap shots are so much easier, is that it? How unusual for a leftist. You are a leftist, not a liberal.

Buy a dictionary.

10:45 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

Dana,

thank you for making your point so ambiguous. Are you the same raging anti-Semite and self loathing Jew who poisons the Madzionist blog on a regular basis, or someone with the same uni-sexual name?

10:52 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

Phelonius Monkey,

you guessed wrong. In fact, you doubled my actual length--which is still several inches longer than you can boast.

10:56 PM  
Blogger John said...

OO!

Ouch.

Where's the Samurai?

Doing push-ups with the Rocky soundtrack in the background?

See title of post. :)

10:58 PM  
Blogger Phelonius said...

Several inches of what? Moronicisms? Girth?

(See? All you have to do is poke it with a stick, and it responds exactly like I said it would.)

Mommy let you out of your room already? Nah, you snuck out.

You can do better than this! What a weak series of attacks. Maybe you haven't taken all of your lithium. Alcohol does interfere with that.

You learned a new word today! Yea! A "dictionary" is a good thing if you can identify one. Unfortunately you have to be able to read "grown-up" talk first.

Dance some more for us. It is pathetic, but entertaining in a sad sort of way.

11:09 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

Kelly,

what do you suggest I do to "grow up?" Forget everything I've learned in my life and swallow the MTV style sound-bites I've been subjected to around here?

No, thanks. You seem like a nice person but you're strangely intolerant for a liberal Mormon.

11:11 PM  
Blogger John said...

Uh-oh... (ducking)

11:11 PM  
Blogger John said...

So is Bargholz Godzilla, or the Terminator?

I'm not sure which.

11:14 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

Ass, i didn't quite get what your last comment said. The semen in my face and my copy of "Das Capital" obscured my vision.

And you have the borrowed balls to criticize my language.

Spit the balls out, they're not yours.

11:14 PM  
Anonymous douglass said...

jeffb’:

Good one.

but seriously, you have made it clear that you "I don't think Sanjay or Ass are worse than the other guys you mentioned. I just had more fun screwing with them"

dumbass.

If you really wanted get a rise out of us, you could have disguised that for a bit longer, or did the liquor give you loose lips?.

mentioning loose lips,

I'll keep eating the gobstoppers I stole from your pantry, bitch.

Remember the copy of das capital is glued to your ugly face so I don't have to look at it, and If I feel your teeth one more time, I'm knocking them out.

11:23 PM  
Anonymous douglass said...

;)

11:26 PM  
Blogger Phelonius said...

Now, douglass, you did remind me that we are dealing with the "special olympics" here.

We are going to try and not get too involved with the Barg-man, eh? Besides, he is going to have to look up "Gob-stoppers" now on Google, and that will take a while before we get another performance.

11:29 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

John,

aesthetics and good manners have their place. I don't dispute that. So do realism and coarse language.

If you dispute this then we will just have to agree to disagree.

The difference between Cynthia McKinney and Sean Hannity is that McKinney will have her every racist excess excused, but if Hannity were to utter anything that could be remotely construed as racist, he would be pilloried by the right, the center and of course the rabid left.

Osama Bin Loser is a dune-coon. I wish I could say it to his face prior to ripping it off, but I doubt I'll get the chance.

As far as Black American racists go, I stand by what I wrote. Unless they're willing to abandon their virulent anti-White racism and proclivity for using racial epithets of all kinds, I reserve the right to use them myself. I don't need to prove I'm more tolerant than unrepentant racists and I won't set an example for people who refuse to learn from it.

American Blacks who aren't racist agree with me. So do the vast majority of African Blacks, very few of whom are racist.

11:31 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

Phelonius Monkey,

like all leftists, you claim I don't know anything about you. This idiotic claim would be more convincing if I didn't have your own words to go on.

You moonbats never learn.

11:34 PM  
Blogger Phelonius said...

Well, now where is all the vitriolic? You are an embarassment to people who vote on a conservative ballot. Your assumptions are silly since you were the one that made them first. Small minds cannot discuss serious issues because you have nothing to fight with.

Dance some more.

11:37 PM  
Blogger Phelonius said...

Oh, and Barg-man. You can do better with the name calling. You seem to have run out of some steam here. Where are all the references to turds and dogs and underwear that entertained us so much earlier. "Moonbat." Sheesh.

My fifteen year old does a lot better job than that.

11:41 PM  
Anonymous douglass said...

Phelonius,

I agree that people should decide the rules through the democratic process.

I do not endorse the libertarian stance on federalism, nor do I approve of their ideal of the local grassroots; for a weakened federal structure would be fodder for K street and dominant personalities play a large role in small groups.

11:45 PM  
Anonymous douglass said...

Er,

Phelonius,

Your were the one to say 'special Olympics', not me.

I think that jeffb' is a conniving guy.

11:49 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

John,

you impertinently (or was it importantly?) told me to reserve my ire for those who really deserve it. You should follow your own advice.

James is a sub-literate moron. His insults are about as effective as his wit. Nothing to laugh about. I haven't seem my "mommy" since she died. I haven't seen his mommy since his conception. It was the only time I saw her and I want my money back.

I've already pasted Sanjay's provocation and I've already addressed my unrestrained comments from a few days back. If you cant' move past them it's because you're becoming as dark and ugly as the Twilight Zone townspeople you described.

Just for the record, I didn't slaughter any men here (Ass,) or murder any children (Phelonius Monkey.) Not physically, anyway. Your analogy was over the top.

Try thinking of similar analogies (Twilight Zone ones, preferrably,) for Ass, Monkey and all the other commenter's here. See what you come up with.

11:49 PM  
Blogger Phelonius said...

Later on folks! Had fun with you all tonight, but most of all the Barg-man.

If all goes well, we will see a lot more of his hilarious peronality. Idiots from the left OR the right provide a great deal of entertainment value. He, sadly, belongs to the right like John and myself, so I guess we have to have a "special place" for the "special people."

11:50 PM  
Blogger Phelonius said...

Bargholtz,

Dance some more

11:51 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

Phelonius monkey,

Zoroastrianism had about as much to do with neolithic culture as we do.

Kamu bisa bicara bahasa Indonesia? Tidak? Tingal Indonesia? Dari Indonesia? DIAM, GOBLOK!

As an expert on Indonesian affairs, you wont have any trouble understanding what I wrote, smart-ass.

11:58 PM  
Blogger John said...

"I haven't seem my 'mommy' since she died." :(

"I haven't seen his mommy since his conception. It was the only time I saw her and I want my money back."

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

12:01 AM  
Blogger John said...

Apparently, elements of Zoroastrian mythology (developed ca. 500-1000, "experts" differ on the dates) have been traced back to the neolithic period.

12:04 AM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

Ass,

you couldn't be more wrong about my motivations and actions. Even a cursory knowledge of psychology would be enough to tell you that I'm not doing what you say I am. Psychologically speaking, I'm doing damn near the exact opposite.

Monkey is pasting Wikipedia material. His knowledge in the area of ancient religions probably doesn't exceed your own.

Check the Wiki entries on psychology. Then you can be a real computer desk expert on the subject.

If you want to be a real expert on human nature, try observing it m0ore and analyzing it less.

I'm not just playing with you.

12:06 AM  
Blogger John said...

I don't know what "diam goblok" means, but it sure doesn't sound flattering.

12:08 AM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

Ass & Phellatio,

neither one of you know the first thing about Christianity.

Attend a Sunday service at one of your local Churches and read the Bible, instead of reading internet excerpts, before you pontificate on the subject.

Until then (and likely after,) you're both as ignorant as stumps.

12:14 AM  
Anonymous douglass said...

jeffb,

I never accused you of killing.

If " didn't slaughter any men here (Ass,)" is your way of insinuating that I would buy into of moonbat synopses regarding the moral value of military service, then you are downright NASTY.

I mean, you can toss around profanity, racial slurs, threats of violence, inaccurate ideological labels, and sexual insults all you like, but something insinuating that a person is against the troops and their mission??

That is too far for me.

I't conniving.

Anyway, why are you all of a sudden so sullen?

I played your games.

Are you upset because people who reject your neocon version of American revivalism stole the teddy bear of your pride?

12:17 AM  
Blogger John said...

Bargholz said:

"I'm not just playing with you."

That's why I want you to stick around.

12:18 AM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

Phellatio,

several inches of girth was something I overlooked. Thanks for pointing out your own shortcoming.

Just remember, it IS your fault that she (or is it HE?) doesn't have any orgasms. If he/she has less than 10 per session, you don't know what you're doing. Let me guess. Less than one, right?

My record is more than 30 in one session. A record I've repeated many, many times. I guess you could say I've done it MULTIPLE times.

Sorry, boy. Some of us know what we're doing, and the ones we're doing appreciate it. Just send for the Viagra and Extends catalogues. They'll soften the blow.

OOPS! did I say soften? I'm sorry pal. Keep trying.

12:24 AM  
Blogger John said...

Where you at Sanjay, chasing a chiken? Let's see some of that fancy samurai swordwork against Bargholz's bazooka (I suggest you bring a couple of grenades in your pockets; just don't let him kick you in the nuts).

12:28 AM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

Ass,

the gobstoppers in my pantry are my old spooge stains. They landed on my son's soiled diapers. How do they taste?

Chewy like chicken, or sweet like sugar?

Your teeth are the whitest I've ever cummed across.

Oh, yeah. Only nancy's are tea-totalers.

12:31 AM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

Phellatio,

I don't want to use foul language around your fifteen year old boyfriend. He has enough problems as it is. How long have you been molesting him, you pedophile?

You are one sick puppy.

12:35 AM  
Blogger John said...

So what's the deal, Bargholz? Several people here think you're military, but you didn't even know what a "Milblogger" (i.e. "military blogger) is.

(check these kick-ass milblogs out:

http://shepherdaway.blogspot.com/

and this:

http://www.michaelyon-online.com///)

Are you military?

12:43 AM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

Ass,

I didn't insinuate anything about the Coalition mission in Iraq or the soldiers fighting it. You're delusional.

Like most leftist retards, you don't know what a neocon is. You think it's an insulting term for anyone who disagrees with you--which is about 90% of the population, of course.

Yeah, you're a conservative. Not even John is going to believe that cover story much longer. How much longer can you argue the left side of every issue and still maintain your facade of conservatism?

Your words will betray you.

Dumb-ass.

12:46 AM  
Blogger John said...

"Not even John?"

Thanks a lot, Bargholz.

1:10 AM  
Blogger the liberal samurai said...

Republicus,
Its the difference between Crossfire & This Week. One is a circus of people yelling at each other, the other is a place of reasoned sound discussion. I respect you and many others on this blog for keeping the discussion civil. You and LIberal Jeff occassionally throw gut shots at one another; but even at its worst it still fairly above board. But when it devolves into taunting, name calling & personal attacks then I'm content to sit on the sidelines; its the part of politics I despise. Yeah, I contribute too it at slices as life so it makes me a hypocrit; but I consider myself a (poor) satirist so its okay! And I tend to sit out the philosophical aristotle vs plato stuff too :)

Plus, I'm not gonna attack/engage B until he clarifies his military cred. I might not be down with his mannerisms but anyone willing to take shots for my right to blather freely can fire as many bazooka blasts at me as they want. Though it is a bit odd that he has avoided answering the question from 2 people now.

6:23 AM  
Blogger the liberal samurai said...

Republicus,
B's post of my Bazooka blast worthy post is hardly as he described it (Distortions, flat out lies, etc.) I assume you've read it. I'm sure this will prompt another angry screed from B... Oh please, don't call me a *&!??!, please B I promise to bow down before your muslim crushing might.

I'm also impressed with your knowledge of pop culture (Trek/Twilight Zone/Highlander); so not all of you right wing nutbars are crazy!

6:35 AM  
Blogger Kelly said...

Jeff B said, "No, thanks. You seem like a nice person but you're strangely intolerant for a liberal Mormon."

Huh?? If you ARE???...you have a strange way of showing it.

Intolerant??? I am one of them saying that not all muslims are jihadists. NOT implying that John is saying that either.

We have had to listen to your language that is UNcharacteristic of a Christian..let alone a Mormon.

Who's with me on this?

6:55 AM  
Blogger Kelly said...

Got something someone sent to me this morning.

quote from Anne Lamott:

"You know you've created God in your image when He hates all the same people
you do."

6:57 AM  
Anonymous Jeff said...

Ok Kelly and Sanjay, I'm again with you guys. Yes Kelly I know...

But honestly, John, this guy is immature as all get out, he is huimorless, and yet you howl out loud laughing? I'm not really sure at what? I haven't really seen anything very funny come from him, he just seems really sad to me, like something is just not quite right inside there.

Kelly says:

"You know you've created God in your image when He hates all the same people you do."

Now that is funny, and how true. Seems very applicable here!!!!!

7:23 AM  
Anonymous douglass said...

jefflina B,

ok, that is what you thought, imbecile.

I got the good gobstoppers from your secret hiding place.

I'm neither conservative nor am I liberal, you foolish woman.

I don't know anything about your precious psychobabble. Nor do I care.

I do know that you like to fuck with people.

But seriously, man, your stuff is declining in quality.

I didn't even chuckle at the last one.

9:15 AM  
Blogger Kelly said...

BTW...Jeff B.

I am NOT LIBERAL!!!

Ask the Liberal Samurai, or John, or the other Jeff for that matter.

Ask them..

Hey, guys, am I liberal???

LOLOLOLOL

10:49 AM  
Blogger the liberal samurai said...

Kelly,

While it pains me to say it you don't seem to be a liberal :( But you're too nice to be a conservative! But I like you anyway.

1:06 PM  
Blogger Kelly said...

LS said,

"Kelly,

While it pains me to say it you don't seem to be a liberal :( But you're too nice to be a conservative! But I like you anyway."


Well there you have it.

Though I am not sure how to take the "too nice" bit. Does that mean that nice people aren't conservative?? ;)

1:15 PM  
Anonymous Jeff said...

Why yes it does Kelly, didn't you know that?? It's part of the secret liberal radar we have to identify each other with while out in public. You know, the person who holds the elevator door for you when you scream "hold that door" from 30 feet away, or the person who lets you cut in front of them at the checkout lane at the grocery store when you only have 1 item to purchase. Little things like that give us away to each other. :)

1:20 PM  
Anonymous Jeff said...

Wow, I was the 100th post. Do I win a prize John?

1:22 PM  
Anonymous douglass said...

Jeff: (NOT B')

Liberals and their emotional appeals.

tsk tsk tsk.

Ya'll don't have a monopoly on being nice,

..or do you?

1:41 PM  
Blogger John said...

First prize goes to Bargholz.

Second prize to Sanjay for not running away.

1:42 PM  
Blogger Kelly said...

Jeff said...

"Why yes it does Kelly, didn't you know that?? It's part of the secret liberal radar we have to identify each other with while out in public. You know, the person who holds the elevator door for you when you scream "hold that door" from 30 feet away, or the person who lets you cut in front of them at the checkout lane at the grocery store when you only have 1 item to purchase. Little things like that give us away to each other. :)"


douglass said...

"Jeff: (NOT B')

Liberals and their emotional appeals.

tsk tsk tsk.

Ya'll don't have a monopoly on being nice,

..or do you?



...probably just a corner on the market...on the left side of the road.

2:39 PM  
Blogger Kelly said...

Just this morning several of my kids and I helped clean the church near my house and then my husband and I helped a neighbor put down sod.

Then I got to come home and take care of my own chores.

ya...I must be too nice. ;)

2:52 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

Liberal Samurai, you &*!??!

I'm not in the military and I have avoided nothing.

Does that render my comments invalid?

I don't know what "This Week" is, but if you like it I'm sure it sucks. When I write "sucks" It's meant to be a derogative statement. Just in case you think "sucks" is a compliment.

Please explain how your distortions and flat out lies were accurate and nutbars aren't crazy.

You don't need to bow down before me. I don't require that kind of obeissance. The muslims you defend do--and they HATE ethnic Indians (the ones from the sub-continent.) The self-loathing schizophrenia of Pakis is something that would make an interesting case study.

Tell me, how do you excuse the ipso-facto support you give to genocidal muslim scum by defending them? Are you going to continue dodging this issue?

Insha-allah, esteemed dhimmie.

10:27 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

Kelly,

I make no pretensions to tolerance. I'm extremely intolerant of the intolerance of others--especially muslim scum.

All muslims ARE jihadis, whether you believe it or not. Between the two of us, I'm the only one with a legal document that certifies me as a muslim who was married in a muslim ceremony.

I'm not exaggerating or distorting the nature of islam in any way, shape or form. It is fundamentally evil, detestable and vile.

My language is not Christ-like, but it is definitely Christian.

I addressed your question about liberalism on another post.

10:38 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

Bambi Jeff;

God hates assholes? You must be crestfallen. Is "crestfsallen" a pretentious enough word for you? You seem to fond of pretense.

10:41 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...

Ass,

it's hard to chuckle with a mouthful of my gob.

10:43 PM  
Anonymous douglass said...

I should have seen that one coming.

Bargholz,

The sweet nectar of victory is yours.

1:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff was not in the military. He was rejected, due to his extensive criminal record. His mother, by the way is not dead. He hasn't worked in over three years, and lived in Indonesia, before being deported. Apparently, being typically jobless, he couldn't afford to pay for his visa. He is an alcoholic, and his wife is divorcing him, as a result.

5:00 PM  

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