Enough's Enough
1) Round up all illegals in jail or prison and send them back where they came from without any further ado.
2) Build that wall along the Mexican border to ensure that they don't come back.
3) Begin penalizing--with draconian fees--all busineseses that hire illegals henceforth, with a grandfather clause allowing current payrolls to continue.
4) Subject all illegal immigrants protected by the grandfather clause to the same standards for citizenship that all legals must abide by.
5) Expedite the processing of legal applicants as needed by demand (but subjecting them to the same standards for citizenship).
6) Tell President Fox that if he doesn't cooperate on his end, Bill O'Reilly will call for a boycott of Cancun.
7) Drop the Spanish language prompts and redundancies everywhere to force the learning of the English language and facilitate proper assimilation.
And welcome to America.
Update (4/12): The reasoning of this post has been compromised by emotion (i.e. irritation/frustration). What is lost in the debate between right-wingers concerned with issues of security, sovereignty, and good ol' fashioned law & order and left-wingers who hate "anglo-fascist" America (including her so-called and ill-gotten "borders") and Aztlanists alike is the practicality--and growing necessity-- of cheap labor so that we can compete globally with rising, exporting nations that don't have to deal with labor unions, health insurance for their workers, minimum wages, overtime, etc.
These people--the majority of Mexican immigrants-- are grateful just to be able to make a living (and a fine one), and there's demand for their services, so Republicus understands the wisdom of a "Guest Worker" program as opposed to the granting of either citizenship ("amnesty") or deportation (very costly).
But the unmitigated and unregulated flow of migrants across the border must be stopped, so Republicus supports the Pink-Floydization of the border (i.e. Build a Wall), as well as the immediate deportation of all illegals who are incarcerated, and a one-strike rule for "guests."
Republicus must concede, however, that--aside from the conviction that a wall be built and that all incarcerated illegals be deported-- he has not studied the economics sufficiently enough to swear by his prescriptions (or give them a vote of confidence at the polls, for that matter, pending proper research).
However, the people at the top--love 'em or hate 'em--are smart people who are privy to all sorts of economic data that has given them the laissez faire attitude, and although that attitude has been condemned as apathetic "incompetence" (and contributes to Bush's disapprovals eating into the conservative base), it's a good bet that the attitude has very much to do with competition against other nations that have a cheap labor force and have not been infected by liberal, profit-killing activism.
Within a year or two the United States will be a net-importer of food.
Think about that.
Anyway, it's a messy situation, both socially and economically, and we're damned if we do or damned if we don't, in many of its aspects.
2) Build that wall along the Mexican border to ensure that they don't come back.
3) Begin penalizing--with draconian fees--all busineseses that hire illegals henceforth, with a grandfather clause allowing current payrolls to continue.
4) Subject all illegal immigrants protected by the grandfather clause to the same standards for citizenship that all legals must abide by.
5) Expedite the processing of legal applicants as needed by demand (but subjecting them to the same standards for citizenship).
6) Tell President Fox that if he doesn't cooperate on his end, Bill O'Reilly will call for a boycott of Cancun.
7) Drop the Spanish language prompts and redundancies everywhere to force the learning of the English language and facilitate proper assimilation.
And welcome to America.
Update (4/12): The reasoning of this post has been compromised by emotion (i.e. irritation/frustration). What is lost in the debate between right-wingers concerned with issues of security, sovereignty, and good ol' fashioned law & order and left-wingers who hate "anglo-fascist" America (including her so-called and ill-gotten "borders") and Aztlanists alike is the practicality--and growing necessity-- of cheap labor so that we can compete globally with rising, exporting nations that don't have to deal with labor unions, health insurance for their workers, minimum wages, overtime, etc.
These people--the majority of Mexican immigrants-- are grateful just to be able to make a living (and a fine one), and there's demand for their services, so Republicus understands the wisdom of a "Guest Worker" program as opposed to the granting of either citizenship ("amnesty") or deportation (very costly).
But the unmitigated and unregulated flow of migrants across the border must be stopped, so Republicus supports the Pink-Floydization of the border (i.e. Build a Wall), as well as the immediate deportation of all illegals who are incarcerated, and a one-strike rule for "guests."
Republicus must concede, however, that--aside from the conviction that a wall be built and that all incarcerated illegals be deported-- he has not studied the economics sufficiently enough to swear by his prescriptions (or give them a vote of confidence at the polls, for that matter, pending proper research).
However, the people at the top--love 'em or hate 'em--are smart people who are privy to all sorts of economic data that has given them the laissez faire attitude, and although that attitude has been condemned as apathetic "incompetence" (and contributes to Bush's disapprovals eating into the conservative base), it's a good bet that the attitude has very much to do with competition against other nations that have a cheap labor force and have not been infected by liberal, profit-killing activism.
Within a year or two the United States will be a net-importer of food.
Think about that.
Anyway, it's a messy situation, both socially and economically, and we're damned if we do or damned if we don't, in many of its aspects.
posted by John | 12:30 AM
22 Comments:
I know, easier said than done (about processing the illegal aliens who are already here. Does anyone really know how many there are, where they are, what they're doing? How? They snuck in).
Also, to make them citizens would negate the very benefits for having them here, as the administration, it would seem, knows very well.
It's a messy situation.
This link was sent to me yesterday. Perhaps this is the answer ;)
http://www.imao.us/archives/005207.html
Read the comments at the end....lol.
We need high walls and wide gates. Immigration is fine. Illegal immigration is a security risk if nothing else. I sense, John, some frustration with all of this endless debate. I share that. In fact I am getting sick of it, but that is what happens in this country when we start to *politicize* every problem that we have.
You should be in Texas, where every talking head in every media has been droning on and on about it, and the local schools recently emptied out into the streets so HS kids could scream about a law that they scarcely comprehend. (Some do, to be fair, but they were a minority.)
John....would you mind if I included a link on sciolist to this site?
We have much the same problem here in Utah...just not quite at the same level as Texas.
Thanks Kelly, I'll check it out.
James said: "I sense, John, some frustration with all of this endless debate."
Yes, and I am indeed guilty of that and wrote the post with a streak of frustrated impatience, hence the elaborated amendment (i.e. the "Update").
James asked:
"John....would you mind if I included a link on sciolist to this site?"
Of course not. When I finally get around to putting on a blogroll, you're on it.
Kelly said:
"We have much the same problem here in Utah...just not quite at the same level as Texas."
California is the worst off. There are "green zones" (if you will, heh) of American citizens in affluent areas (like in LA), but sprawling areas of unassimilated
illegals.
LA is the proposed new capital of "Aztlan" among the weasly crowd who envision it.
Kelly: I checked it out. Pretty funny. I left a comment, too.
Sometimes it helps to lighten things up a bit.
Oh...and if you want something really serious to discuss...
http://paperclippings.blogspot.com/2006/04/
doll-or-action-figure.html
;)
"However, the people at the top--love 'em or hate 'em--are smart people who are privy to all sorts of economic data that has given them the laissez faire attitude, and although that attitude has been condemned as apathetic "incompetence" (and contributes to Bush's disapprovals eating into the conservative base), it's a good bet that the attitude has very much to do with competition against other nations that have a cheap labor force and have not been infected by liberal, profit-killing activism."
wow....you can a blog for this kind of rubbish?
John are you sure you are not Britney Spears?
"Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision that he makes and we should just support that,"
Houston gasped:
"wow....you can a blog for this kind of rubbish?"
It's true, Houston. Are you suggesting that the people at the top--in general, in any administration-- are not smart and privy to all sorts of economic data, including the whats and whys of outsourcing and the trade deficit, and the nature of the jobs that most illegals fill, like construction?
Don't you think there's a nexus between the hiring of union and insurance-free masons, electricians, carpenters, and the speed and facility of new construction projects going up(along with other factors, of course?).
"John are you sure you are not Britney Spears?."
Wait. Let me check...
Yup. I'm sure.
"Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision that he makes and we should just support that,"
How did you get from my confession that I have not studied the data sufficiently enough to stand behind most of my prescriptions with any real conviction and my supposition--"a good bet"-- that there's a reason (aside from oblivious ineptitude) that the U.S. government (and throughout the "brilliant" Clinton Administration, mind you) was turning a blind eye to a veritable Mexican Exodus to your allegation that I'm a blind, unconditional, across-the-board ("every decision") supporter of each and every administration policy?
On further thought, I simply am beginning to see the wisdom of a "guest worker" program as being the most responsible to both the needs of the economy and the integrity of the law and our principles.
Any better ideas, Houston?
There's enforcing the law on the books and jailing and imprisoning all illegal aliens.
Including mothers.
Forget about that.
There's the blanket granting of legal citizenship, which is amnesty and counter-productive to the economic reasons why illegals are a good thing. It is unprincipled, unpopular, and would be traumatic to the economy.
There is mass deportation, which is very expensive and difficult (as we saw an example of which when the Israelis had to remove their own settlers from Gaza--and that's knowing where everyone is and who's who).
Or some sort of guest worker program.
Am I missing something?
Meanwhile, build the wall and send back the prisoners.
That's what I support.
Again, you can't lay the blame for this problem at the feet of any one administration.
It's been developing over several decades.
But here's the difference between why the Clinton Administration didn't do anything about it as it accelerated (except to quickly legalize hordes of felons and other Mexican riff-raff in time for the 1996 election as he tried very hard--but failed--to get over 50% of the popular vote) and the Republican magnanimity:
Republicans have macroeconomic issues in mind.
The Democrats have political ones (as they hope to secure the huge and growing bloc of the Latin-American vote by their characteristic strategy of appeasement), assimilation be damned.
But the Republicans let it get too out of hand on their watch, and the costs/benefits ratio (economical and political) has hit the downward slope of the curve.
You have hordes of banditos in the prison system costing states billions while those yet to be apprehended are commiting crimes; you have millions straining the health-care and education system in various ways; you have millions of dollars being siphoned out and sent to Mexico in remittances...
And you have the most outspoken of champions for illegals being Aztlanists who have ulterior--and imperialistic-- schemes in their head.
And look what happened when the U.S. Congress finally brought the issue front and center:
MILLIONS of WELL-ORGANIZED marchers from Los Angeles to Washington came out to protest (who were waving Mexican flags until they realized the P.R. blunder and began waving Old Glory).
And the economy is good right now, no less for illegal laborers. If--or when-- there's a sharp downturn in construction (for example), you're going to have a lot of unemployed men who can barely speak English with nothing to do but march and demand unemployment benefits and welfare (if not commit crimes).
Of course, the Democrats will love to see that sort of upheaval because they can blame Republicans, start promising all sorts of panaceas, and get the lion's share of votes from the fastest growing demographic in America.
But yes, Houston, we have a problem.
Let's see, for the last 36 years or so we have had 7 Republican Presidential terms (Nixon,Ford, Reagan X 2, Bushie sr., and Bushie jr.X 2) to 3 Democratic terms( Carter, and Clinton X 2), and the repubs have had the House and Senate since 1994. You sure you don't want to take a little more credit for things being screwed up here, you really sure ?? Looks to me like the republicans have had their turn, and failed miserably.
Oh I'm sorry, it was the damn liberal media that messed things up for your party, why should you be held accountable for that? :)
What do you mean? Carter was a weakling who presided over the crashing of the Nixon-Ford recovery, the rise of the Ayatollah and surging Jihadism, hostages in Iran, OPEC bullying and consequential gas-lines, the defaming, Frank-Burnsing of the U.S. military and patriotism alike, and then whined about an "American Malaise."
Clinton likewise inherited a recovery that was about to boom (the Tech Revolution enabled by the end of the Cold War and private citizens like Bill Gates and Republicus' pal Heuey) but tripped up with his historic tax-hikes (and would have buried had Hillarycare been enacted and choked 1/7 of the macroeconomy) and rode to economic glory late in the second-term only by clever triangulation and taking credit for the economic stuff like the balanced budget and welfare reform after having his arm-twisted by the new Republican congress and its conservative Contract With America while V.P. Gore stole credit for the *real* engine of the boom by saying that he "invented the Internet."
Meanwhile, from his first year in office, we had Al Qaeda chase us out of Somalia, had the WTC hit low by Al Qaeda, had our sovereign embassies in Africa and a guided-missile destroyer bombed by the end of the decade and the 9/11 plot hatched fewarlessly by Bin Laden because he had taken the measure of Bill Clinton and had concluded that we were a "paper tiger."
We help Islamic narcoterrorists defeat tin-pot dictator Slobodan Milosevic in Serbia by characterizing a tit-for-tat centuries old turf war in the Balkans as a one-sided genocidal pogrom worthy of Hitler (what is with Lefty's and Hitler? Everyone's a "Hitler" except Saddam Hussein) and so "justifying" an attack on a sovereign nation (against the wishes of the UN) on "humanitarian" grounds (The "Clinton Doctrine") while the buffoon ignores the truly genocidal massacre in Rwanda.
Why did he see fit to help Albanian, narco-terrorist insurgents in Serbia and help establish an underground railroad of sorts for Al Qaeda in the heart of Europe?
Same reason why Hillary kissed Sufa Arafat and Bill hustled to work out a peace deal with terrorist Arafat's PLO and the Israelis before his legacy-less tenure was up: Because he wanted a "legacy."
Meanwhile, he bent over backwards to get that highly-coveted second-term by doing stuff like fast-tracking the legalization of hordes of Mexican bandits with felonies and selling cups of coffee to the Chinese for campaign $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
The Chinese, however, thought they deserved more than a cup of coffee, and saw fit to ransack Los Alamos for the blueprints to the neutron bomb (and other secret weaponry).
Oh, and he got Impeached, too: for perjury, obstruction of justice, and suborning of perjury.
*Au contraire,* Anonymous, it is the Democrats who had their turn, and keep leaving messes for the Republicans to clean up after.
"Oh I'm sorry, it was the damn liberal media that messed things up for your party, why should you be held accountable for that? :)
The damn liberal media makes thing look messier than they are.
They should shaddup.
Bizarro world indeed inside that twisted mind of yours.
Right. Thanks for stopping by Anonymous-Anonymous-Anonymous-Anonymous-Anonymous.
I mean Lee Harvey.
Very Bizarre, and your welcome. One too many mind melts you've taken my old friend.
"Melds." "Mind-MELDS."
LOL, I know..... :)
This came in an email this morning (related to this subject) and though it is funny, it is so true...
Dear President Bush:
I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family, and
would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across the border
from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few arrangements. I know
you can help with this.
I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration
quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do
here.
So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Vicente Fox, that I'm
on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the
following:
1. Free medical care for my entire family.
2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might
need, whether I use them or not.
3. All government forms need to be printed in English.
4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.
5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.
6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the flag
pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.
7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.
8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access
to government services.
9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any effort
to learn local traffic laws.
10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo
from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all police
officers speak English.
11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals on my
car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any
complaints or negative comments from the locals.
12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, and
don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.
13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and
never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place on
the economy.
I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things
for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am sure that
Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.
However, if he gives you any trouble, just invite him to go quail
hunting with your V.P.
Thank you so much for your kind help.
Thanks, Kelly.
Of course, Fox would say "No way Hor-hay (i.e, Jorge).
Do you know what the Mexican laws on their own southern border are?
The hypocrisy is astounding.
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