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Tuesday, May 16, 2006

Christian Vs. Muslim Part II

In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence.

Christian Reverend Martin Luther King

Our objective is complete freedom, justice and equality by any means necessary.

Nation of Islam Leader Malcolm X
The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom.

Christian Reverend Martin Luther King

The common enemy is the white man.

Nation of Islam Leader Malcolm X


Anonymous douglass said...


I don't think your comparison has much to do with Christianity V. Islam in light of it's socio-historical context.

I'd say that Malcolm X was responding to the general trend in the movement that came around the beginning of 1967. (i.e. In December of 1966, whites were formally banned from SNCC in a night owl vote).

Malcolm was just responding to the feeling in the movement that integration was not as great of a notion as King and the SCLC made it out to be, a response seconded by the likes of Stokley Carmichael.

The people of color in the movement realized that they did not like the condescending overtures of having to 'assimilate' into white culture, and so the 'civil rights movement (properly labeled the movement to finish reconstruction)transformed from a movement of racial equality into a movement of black Identity, and it subsequently stalled.

The movement to finish reconstruction stalled.

That’s sad, because it allows bad leaders in the black community (I.E. Mckinney, J.Jackson,& Al Sharpton to lick the community’s wounds green and prevent racial healing..

It's a dark chapter of American history that is only made worse by using it as an example Islamic immorality.

2:37 PM  
Blogger John said...

Douglass said:

"I don't think your comparison has much to do with Christianity V. Islam in light of it's socio-historical context."

I think King's Christianity had a LOT to do with his benevolent approach.

He was a reverend, for crying out loud.

"The people of color in the movement realized that they did not like the condescending overtures of having to 'assimilate' into white culture."

Soooo...segregation was the ticket, what?

9:36 PM  
Anonymous douglass said...


J: "I think King's Christianity had a LOT to do with his benevolent approach."

pfft. So according to your logic Vlad Tepes Dracula’s Christianity had a LOT to do with his approach to ruling his kingdom and dealing with captured Turks, huh.

Was Gandhi, the man who DEVELOPED the idea of nonviolent civil disobedience, also influenced a LOT by Christianity?!?


The social environment that King's movement was dealing with was more of a determinant of his tactics than Christianity ever was (King learned what he brought to Birmingham after Laurie Pritchett shut him down in Albany, via w/ non-violence and some legal cleverness).

But, we might also disagree because I think that Malcolm X's Islam didn't have a lot to do with what he said against whites.

you said "Soooo...segregation was the ticket, what?"

I don't get the meaning of that.

Please state it differently.

9:08 AM  
Blogger John said...

You defended:

"Malcolm was just responding to the feeling in the movement that integration was not as great of a notion as King and the SCLC made it out to be...The people of color in the movement realized that they did not like the condescending overtures of having to 'assimilate' into white culture..."

That's anti-assimilation.

i.e. pro-segregation.

2:50 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...


Malcolm X and stokley Carmichael were racist pieces of shit. The world is better off without them.

As a white man (or am I yellow?) I am a person of color. I am not invisible or transparent. your racist ideology is offensive. Whites are not colorless. They are not inferior to any other group.

Reverend King was a man of God, and the civil rights movement was a religious movement. Not an islamic movement, but a Christian one.

You leftist turds hate the fact that Christians are responsible for our nation's greatest accomplishments and civil rights.

Your vile hatred is palpable, you puke-licking worm.

10:55 PM  
Blogger John said...

Welcome to Republicus. :)

8:23 AM  
Anonymous douglass said...

John, you couldn’t resist it, could you.


AHEM: I’m not a socialist.


You don’t intimidate me.

Your fumbling here tells me one thing: you are all bark and no bite.

Anyway, of course whites are not inferior to any race, in fact, white rights are just as important as black rights or Jewish rights, or anybody's rights.

People of color is the new PC term for non-white phenotypes that accommodates academe’s new neo-Marxist rhetorical sepulcher.

It's easier, and less abrasive than naming individual phenotypes.

Anyways, Jeff, you seem a bit sensitive to semantic antics for a person who insults others as carelessly as you do.

9:12 AM  
Blogger John said...

Douglass said:

"John, you couldn’t resist it, could you."

"Welcome to Republicus :)" is both amused sarcasm and reference to a Guns & Roses song.

9:31 AM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...


King's religious motivation had nothing to do with Dracula's. Your comparison is too nonsensical to qualify as sophistry or even specious tripe. King's approach was based 100% on his religion.

Nailing monks' feet to the palace floor and impaling muslim scum aren't Christian doctrines, although they are quite effective ways to intimidate enemies. (I disagree with the feet-nailing bit.)

Gandhi learned his non-violent approach from Jesus, you ignoramus. Try reading something Gandhi WROTE, instead of the leftist hagiographies your brainless professors assigned to you.

Just for the record, his passive-aggressive Luddite antics only worked because he was dealing with the civilized British. If he were dealing with the Nazis, Muslims or Chinese, he would have been rounded up with all his followers on day one and summarily executed. He was an asshole that doomed a newly independent India to close to a century and counting of poverty and failure.

Ahem. If you're not a socialist, stop writing like one.

I never intended to intimidate you, but your self conscious denial proves that I have. I'm all bite and no bark.

Racial "rights" should be outlawed as the racist crap they are. Real men succeed without them.

"People of color" is a P.C. construct meant to denigrate Whitey. Only dick-wads take racist epithets like that seriously.

Races are not "phenotypes," they are a physical reality whether you accept it or not. Facts are facts, regardless of your wishful thinking. Have you ever seen a White guy with an afro, or a Black guy in a cold environment?

Anyway Ass, you seem a bit insulting for someone who's as sensitive to name calling as you are.

4:25 AM  
Anonymous douglass said...



I thought this was a name-calling contest.

About Dracula, he had his interpretation of Christianity, and it played out in his milieu.More worrisome to you should be the fact that the pope knew what vlad was up to (during his short reigns) and let him slide because his brutalities kept Christendom safe by snaring the Ottomans and their allies in a Wallachian trap.

I concede to your points about Gandhi

Btw, I am talking about legal rights, those disconnected to race.

Anyone who proposes governmental discrimination on the basis of race is a racist may they propose special treatment for blacks, whites Chinese, whatever.

And of course, all of that 'white racism' affirmative action people of color nonsense is inconvertibly anti-white, as well as conniving, for not only does it do to whites the very thing it uses to justify the necessity of it's actions, it also claims that American society of today is most influenced by the pre-revolutionary plantation period.

Using the vocabulary of the socialist is now in fashionable in academe, and I'm sure that with your intimidating (fine, it's intimidating, but a good challenge to all, in terms of intimidation, you already sent one liberal running away from you like a woman in what, 6 posts?) intellectual bazooka on scan mode, you can read between the lines.

Also, I’ve seen afro toting wiggerus Americanus in action, as well as uncle to... blacks who have gone bagger Vance.

About race, the pinko bastards have a semantic point.

The term 'white' was developed as a legal term in the colonies as to differentiate European indentured servants (often called 'wenches') and African slaves. The term 'white' was nonexistent before that time.

About race being divisive, it sure as hell is. But so are other factors like religion, class, ideology and so forth.

5:27 PM  
Blogger Jeff Bargholz said...


Hmm. Dracula wasn't following Christian doctrine. Sure, he was a Christian, but his more violent acts contravened Biblical teaching.

You're the first guy who ever agreed with me about Ghandi. I've been banned from sites for telling the truth about that racist little turd. He's one of the left's sacred cows.

I was being facetious when I asked about the White guys with afros and Black guys in cold locales. I was just poking holes in phenotype dogma. I'm glad you don't believe in that crap.

4:33 PM  

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